Kugler fluff piece
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At UTEP, home wins matter — over anyone. If you can entertain the fans with a win while they eat their nachos and drink their beer, it matters.
Where did I question his manhood? I have said he is an awful college head coach.
Even though for all 4 conference home wins in 2014, all games were under 27,500 in attendance. The NMSU game drew more.
Some questions I would ask Kuglar:
UTEP's roster consisted of 32% local talent. What was the process that led to this result?
What do you believe led to the anemic offense? Scheme? Personnel? Play calling? As a follow up, why was there an apparent hesitation to seek change based on the results?
If I'm not mistaken, the special teams unit didn't recruit a scholarship kicker? Held try outs for one. Please correct me if I'm out of bounds on this. But question would be, why wasnt kicking/special teams looked at with more importance? (This decision cost UTEP games)
Finally, what was the real reason for his walk-out mid-season? There was discussion about the future of the program; what specifically was discussed? If this was due to personal reasons, then let it be. It's true that if a person needs to fix their life, that trumps everything.
I feel that these are fair questions that could be asked that can highlight what the thought process for Kuglar was and the infrastructure for the program. It would then highlight a possible root cause of the issue that may be more than just Kuglar. He didn't make things easier but he's obviously not the root cause for what ails this program.
UTEP's roster consisted of 32% local talent. What was the process that led to this result?
What do you believe led to the anemic offense? Scheme? Personnel? Play calling? As a follow up, why was there an apparent hesitation to seek change based on the results?
If I'm not mistaken, the special teams unit didn't recruit a scholarship kicker? Held try outs for one. Please correct me if I'm out of bounds on this. But question would be, why wasnt kicking/special teams looked at with more importance? (This decision cost UTEP games)
Finally, what was the real reason for his walk-out mid-season? There was discussion about the future of the program; what specifically was discussed? If this was due to personal reasons, then let it be. It's true that if a person needs to fix their life, that trumps everything.
I feel that these are fair questions that could be asked that can highlight what the thought process for Kuglar was and the infrastructure for the program. It would then highlight a possible root cause of the issue that may be more than just Kuglar. He didn't make things easier but he's obviously not the root cause for what ails this program.
He might not have good answers to those good questions.
I think if you’re moving into a leadership position, you need to have been trained and mentored for it by someone skilled and experienced.
Otherwise, it’s a risky move. Maybe you’re smart enough and have enough natural talent for it to figure it all out quickly, on the fly.
Maybe you don’t.
I wouldn’t because I wouldn’t seek out a person to tell them they suck. Nor would I go up to a 12-0 Dana Dimel and tell him he’s great. I do not go out of my way to tell coaches stuff. If it happened organically, sure.
You wouldn’t go up to a random gay guy and call him the F word either. Well maybe if he were 5’0” 105 pounds and prancing around like a stereotype. You probably would then, especially if your buddies were around. Try to impress them with your “coolness”.
Stop deflecting — you slam coaches behind the safety of your keyboard. You’re a coward.
I’m surprised so many players came out in support of Kugler. They were there, that means something.
But as a fan, I saw the football and it was mostly bad. I will say, it was disciplined and fundamentally sound.
Kuglers teams had a lack of talent outside of a few standouts and the play calling was dated.
Somehow, Dimmel is worse.
But as a fan, I saw the football and it was mostly bad. I will say, it was disciplined and fundamentally sound.
Kuglers teams had a lack of talent outside of a few standouts and the play calling was dated.
Somehow, Dimmel is worse.
The current admin has convinced themselves, or Dimel has sold them, that Dimel started in a huge hole and is digging himself out of it.
That’s their fvcking job. Why would I go out of my way to tell Kugler he sucked as UTEP coach? Do you go out of your way to tell someone they did crappy at their job from 5 years ago?
I have told a coach to their face that they sucked. It didn’t go well. He found out where I worked and tried to get me fired. Thankfully, my boss told him to go pound sand.
Did happen. I also set a time to meet you and your alias at Wolve’s Den, and you didn’t show. It’s not a gay bar — it’s a place to fight. You’re Internet cowards.
Funny that I was the only person on here to post a picture of myself, but yet I'm the person hiding behind a keyboard. LOL
Pretty sure Tim Floyd was dipping into Kugler’s football recruiting budget since all of the talent was over 12 hours away.
Pretty sure Tim Floyd was dipping into Kugler’s football recruiting budget since all of the talent was over 12 hours away.
He gave Lang in return.
If we’re talking about Kugler and his recruitment of local players it must be said that he sucked. He once said on one of the coaches shows he wanted a kid from every high school in EP on the roster. I don’t care if you’re Sean Kugler or Knute Rockne that is the dumbest recruiting plan if I ever heard one. I know there are diamonds in the rough and I respect that but you don’t prioritize having a kid from every HS in El Paso over bringing in the best players available.
I can understand the players and even the coaches being hurt about their time here and why they need to defend their honor. I get that. But at the end of the day the results speak for themselves. I think we can respect everyone for working hard and representing the school in a good fashion off the field. And I’m sure as much as we hated watching the miners suck as spectators it was probably 100 times harder being on that field and eating your balls week in and week out. In the end it’s disingenuous to say it was a great time on the field. It is what it is.
I can understand the players and even the coaches being hurt about their time here and why they need to defend their honor. I get that. But at the end of the day the results speak for themselves. I think we can respect everyone for working hard and representing the school in a good fashion off the field. And I’m sure as much as we hated watching the miners suck as spectators it was probably 100 times harder being on that field and eating your balls week in and week out. In the end it’s disingenuous to say it was a great time on the field. It is what it is.
Pretty sure Tim Floyd was dipping into Kugler’s football recruiting budget since all of the talent was over 12 hours away.
Both of them killed themselves on the recruiting trail.
Cool. So you almost lost your job to do so. Wow man, I’m really impressed. Probably some middle or high school coach who didn’t play your kids enough.
We’re definitely beating a dead horse on this, but when UTEP crashed and burned under Kugler we all felt that his biggest flaws were in recruiting and offensive philosophy. It’s hard to run a good offense when you have bad players. He was trying to run an awful offense with awful players. And if we’re honest Dimel does not have the talent to run his offense either, so in many ways this is a continuation of the previous regimes woes. Under both regimes the recruiting has been awful.
Congratulations! I’m sure it was worth it.
Kugler sucked plain and simple. Whatever criticism the coaches, administration, and players receive on here, pales in comparison to what others receive at major colleges.
Couldn't agree more. Dimel in my opinion has been worse than Kuglar and that in of itself was a very low bar.
It's funny that some people say I'm a stalker on here for meeting former NFL and NBA players at UTEP games, but this moron waited after a game to insult a D1 coach.
To be fair, he would have just made a lateral move and went from working at McDonald's to working at Burger King.
We’re just tough guys who don’t praise the enormously successful UTEP coaches enough. Just here telling lies and “alternative facts”.
That’s a fair point to have. I think Kap was wrong for saying Kugler was under appreciated. That’s certainly not the right word to describe his tenure. I think someone like Billy G. or Barbee were under appreciated because they had their programs on an upward trajectory and I wish we could have paid them way more to at least get them to think about staying.
I would say Kugler’s legacy is “complicated”. He brought in 2 All-Americans which is unheard of. He made a bowl game and had several players make NFL rosters. Throw in the off the field stuff those are great accomplishments. But then he crapped the bed on everything else and torpedoed the program to the depths of hell. You have to acknowledge both but at the end of the day wins and losses are what you’re remembered for. If you rank all the UTEP coaches post Bob Stull he may be the worst one or very near the bottom.
Post Stull Coach rank:
1) Price
2) Nord
3) Kugler
4) Bailey
5) Dimel - only because of length
6) Lee
If you want to flip Kugler and Bailey, I’m okay with that, but David Lee was beyond awful. At this point only Dimel looks to be in contention to dethrone him.
