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Memphis football is undefeated this year at 6-0. They just beat 13th ranked Ole Miss. They are similar to UTEP in the sense that they are known for their basketball program. I remember when they were a perennial losing program in CUSA. They have turned that program around.

Why can't we do that at UTEP?
 
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They invested in football. They will get a big 12 invite. We need a whole new athletic philosophy. We cant pay the basketball coach more than the football coach. Basketball will get us nowhere we have to make serious cuts in the basketball program and reallocate the money to football.
 
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They invested in football. They will get a big 12 invite. We need a whole new athletic philosophy. We cant pay the basketball coach more than the football coach. Basketball will get us nowhere we have to make serious cuts in the basketball program and reallocate the money to football.


I agree. Justin Fuente makes 1.4 MM per year, and I would bet that his OC and DC make more than Kugler. They decided to invest in football, UTEP has decided to not invest in athletics period (my opinion).
 
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They invested in football. They will get a big 12 invite. We need a whole new athletic philosophy. We cant pay the basketball coach more than the football coach. Basketball will get us nowhere we have to make serious cuts in the basketball program and reallocate the money to football.
Memphis made no cuts to bball.
 
They invested in football. They will get a big 12 invite. We need a whole new athletic philosophy. We cant pay the basketball coach more than the football coach. Basketball will get us nowhere we have to make serious cuts in the basketball program and reallocate the money to football.

Memphis will not get a Big 12 invite.
 
Memphis made no cuts to bball.

Memphis didnt need to. They have big money donors the ceos of Autozone and Fedex funding Memohis athletics. Plus Memphis hoops is highly successful most years they outdraw the Grizzlies.

UTEP doesnt have two billionaires funding our program. Our basketball program is not successful. We unlike Memphis play in a one bid league. The regular season is irrelevant. Our hoops season comes down to three games in March. Even if we win the tournament we are looking at a 13 seed. Basketball wont in any way help improve our conference standing. In fact the basketball programs standing will continue to get worse if football doesnt improve. In a few years there is a good possibility UTSA and Texas State could pass us and get in the Mountain West. This is a critical time for UTEP athletics we cant continue to throw the money we do at basketball, when it wont help our conference standing. Its insane to put the money we are into the hoops program.
 
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Yes sir! Winner of that game, provided that each is undefeated when they play, has a great shot of representing the G5 in an access bowl. Of course Temple and Toledo might have something to say about that.

When its all said and done i think Temple will win the Anerican and pla in a new years six bowl.
 
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Memphis didnt need to. They have big money donors the ceos of Autozone and Fedex funding Memohis athletics. Plus Memphis hoops is highly successful most years they outdraw the Grizzlies.

UTEP doesnt have two billionaires funding our program. Our basketball program is not successful. We unlike Memphis play in a one bid league. The regular season is irrelevant. Our hoops season comes down to three games in March. Even if we win the tournament we are looking at a 13 seed. Basketball wont in any way help improve our conference standing. In fact the basketball programs standing will continue to get worse if football doesnt improve. In a few years there is a good possibility UTSA and Texas State could pass us and get in the Mountain West. This is a critical time for UTEP athletics we cant continue to throw the money we do at basketball, when it wont help our conference standing. Its insane to put the money we are into the hoops program.

I understand your point, but we'll probably make a lot more money off of ticket revenue in basketball than we will in football. Maybe close to twice as much. We're a basketball school, plain and simple.
 
I understand your point, but we'll probably make a lot more money off of ticket revenue in basketball than we will in football. Maybe close to twice as much. We're a basketball school, plain and simple.

We're not a basketball school, we're not a football school, but we need to become a football school. The basketball program has been irrelevant for almost twenty five years. Even if we win big in basketball our conference standing will continue to fall if football doesnt improve. In the end the only way to help the basketball program is to improve football. Our basketball attendance will fall now that the regular season is irrelevant, and the older season ticket base is dying off. There is an entire generation now who have never seen UTEP win a tournament game or be nationally relavent. If we get passed by UTSA in Texas State we will be playing in Southland conference 2.0 a one bid conference playing for a 15 seed.
 
Football has been irrelevant for a 100 years, that ship has sailed. I wish we could be relevant, but the truth is, with every athletic program, their fan base is going to determine what the sport they're known for. Time to concentrate on what has made us relevant.
 
Football has been irrelevant for a 100 years, that ship has sailed. I wish we could be relevant, but the truth is, with every athletic program, their fan base is going to determine what the sport they're known for. Time to concentrate on what has made us relevant.

And play in what conference? If you emphasize basketball over football you kill your entire athletic department. Football is still the cash cow, its what the big donors care about.
 
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What conference are you wanting us to play in? In business you grow your main product first, then you branch out. Look at Louisville, if you want to buy season tickets for bball, you have to buy season tickets to football, if not you get put on the waiting list. We gotta grow one sport first and make it a national brand, and I believe it is a lot easier to obtain that by going the bball route.
 
What conference are you wanting us to play in? In business you grow your main product first, then you branch out. Look at Louisville, if you want to buy season tickets for bball, you have to buy season tickets to football, if not you get put on the waiting list. We gotta grow one sport first and make it a national brand, and I believe it is a lot easier to obtain that by going the bball route.

It doesnt matter if we become a national brand in basketball we still wouldnt be invited to a better conference. Just look at UCONN they have are the most successful program of the last twenty years, four national championships, yet the cant get an invite to a power five conference, because their football program sucks. Conferences only expand for football not basketball. You can never build a national brand in basketball playing in a one bid conference.
 
Memphis football is undefeated this year at 6-0. They just beat 13th ranked Ole Miss. They are similar to UTEP in the sense that they are known for their basketball program. I remember when they were a perennial losing program in CUSA. They have turned that program around.

Why can't we do that at UTEP?
The first step in trying to turn your football program like Memphis did is having a university president who is committed to athletics. The dinosaur Natalicio is anti athletics. Then you need a good AD, not someone who has no balls and just collects a paycheck.
 
I agree. Justin Fuente makes 1.4 MM per year, and I would bet that his OC and DC make more than Kugler. They decided to invest in football, UTEP has decided to not invest in athletics period (my opinion).

It's interesting to see two former UTEP coaches, Darrell Dickey and Troy Reffett on the Memphis staff. I'm not saying that we would be winning with those two here. Justin Fuente was a top assistant at TCU before he became the HC at Memphis. Maybe UTEP should have hired a top assistant from a winning school. When Memphis' last coach was fired, he urged the University to invest in their athletic program if they wanted to see improvements. It looks like Memphis administrators made the necessary investments.
 
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Memphis didnt need to. They have big money donors the ceos of Autozone and Fedex funding Memohis athletics. Plus Memphis hoops is highly successful most years they outdraw the Grizzlies.

UTEP doesnt have two billionaires funding our program. Our basketball program is not successful. We unlike Memphis play in a one bid league. The regular season is irrelevant. Our hoops season comes down to three games in March. Even if we win the tournament we are looking at a 13 seed. Basketball wont in any way help improve our conference standing. In fact the basketball programs standing will continue to get worse if football doesnt improve. In a few years there is a good possibility UTSA and Texas State could pass us and get in the Mountain West. This is a critical time for UTEP athletics we cant continue to throw the money we do at basketball, when it wont help our conference standing. Its insane to put the money we are into the hoops program.
 
It appears FedEx ain't the only rich uncle Memphis has, the god old boys down at the state house kicked in a little cash as well......plus student athletics fees (which UTEP voted down a few years back).
From the Memphis paper....

The Tennessee Board of Regents approved last month a $36.2 million budget for University of Memphis athletics in 2012-13, the school's final year in Conference USA.

That's a preliminary allocation, though, and will be revisited in October as part of the university's normal fall budget cycle.

Updated revenue projections or changes in student fee allocations based on enrollment, among other things, could change the final figure. In 2010-11, the last year in which figures were reported to the U.S. Dept. of Education, Memphis spent $41.7 million on athletics.

University spokeswoman Linda Bonnin said new athletic director Tom Bowen was developing a plan by Oct. 1 that will address the Tigers' needs heading into the Big East Conference, where it will become a member on July 1, 2013. She said the recently completed budget was made "in the meantime."

Athletic department spokesman Bob Winn said Bowen's plan "will give us guidance as well as the direction we take moving into the Big East."

Memphis' athletic spending tops C-USA schools but is only middle-of-the-pack among football-playing Big East members. In the latest available full comparison, according to data compiled by the Dept. of Education, Louisville is tops in the Big East. In 2010-11, it spent $83.8 million. Its 2012-13 budget was recently approved at $71.5 million, according to Louisville television station WDRB.

Tennessee's 2012-13 athletics budget is $98 million, a department spokesman said Friday. Combining its regular budget and funds from a private foundation, Ole Miss will spend $60 million on athletics this year, an official said.
 
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Ya those were with Barbee's players. Like stated earlier, Barbee has us competing with Memphis in 4 years. And it was a Calipari Memphis level team. In 5 years Floyd doesn't even have us competing with La. Tech.
Barbee only had 1 victory with "his" players against Memphis, while Floyd had 2 victories with "barbee's players, minus Caracter" with Barbee's players.
 
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