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Seven years after Barbee, SMU is in top 25....

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Like I said a huge majority would have fired don Haskins by now too so we shall see!
 
PURPLEFIRE said:
Like I said a huge majority would have fired don Haskins by now too so we shall see!
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STexMiner said:
Ummmm.......I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Coach Haskins had a national championship to his credit by his sixth season.
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Yes Don Haskins was 124 -32 with 2 NCAA tourneys one NIT and a National Championship at the end of his fifth year at UTEP he punched his lifetime meal ticket early and often(so no, a majority wouldn't of wanted Haskins fired), in reality Haskins had one bad stretch from '76 to '78(three seasons) he was a consistent winner before and after those three seasons.(last four seasons due to NCAA hypocrisy)
 
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How is it that Floyd was successful at every college job he's had, but less so here? Perhaps he's become too enamored with his own coaching ideas rather than just coaching fundamentals? I don't get it. He's certainly run into bad luck (Hamilton, Hunter leaving, players gambling, injuries, etc.), but I certainly expected this team to be much further along. I think a big factor is that the present CUSA is easily the worst situation we've ever been in, conference-wise.

That said, throughout his career, his teams tended to get better and play their best ball in March. If that doesn't happen this season, I wouldn't be opposed to going a different direction.
 
I am not at all opposed to going in a different direction but still think he will get it done.... I think this team looks a hell of a lot different with hunter and Wilms and mcswiggan.... And hunter was the only one he really had any control over but that is just me!! I have never seen a coach have such bad luck!
 
I don't envy SMU who repeatedly tries to cheat themselves to the top and keeps paying the price. Undefeated, perhaps their best team ever, and they can't play in the post-season. Dirty school, dirty boosters, and I'm glad we're not them.

I can sleep soundly at night knowing we're not them.
 
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Yes Don Haskins was 124 -32 with 2 NCAA tourneys one NIT and a National Championship at the end of his fifth year at UTEP he punched his lifetime meal ticket early and often(so no, a majority wouldn't of wanted Haskins fired), in reality Haskins had one bad stretch from '76 to '78(three seasons) he was a consistent winner before and after those three seasons.(last four seasons due to NCAA hypocrisy)
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From 75-83 Haskins went without an ncaa appearance and with today's thinking I promise all you calling for floyds head would be calling for his Haskins as well saying he has reached his ceiling he can't get it done anymore and we would end up missing overall what is his best time when we were dominant in the 80's.... That's how I see it with Floyd maybe I am wrong

He had been a winner everywhere
Had some bad luck
He has been on that edge a few times where he just needs a little push and momentum would carry is to a good place
 
FeralFelidae said:
I don't envy SMU who repeatedly tries to cheat themselves to the top and keeps paying the price. Undefeated, perhaps their best team ever, and they can't play in the post-season. Dirty school, dirty boosters, and I'm glad we're not them.

I can sleep soundly at night knowing we're not them.
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Exactly!!
 
I for one don't want to see Floyd go anywhere because I think we have some decent young players an touchet, jones, Thomas, and Wynn those four could be pretty strong in a couple of seasons
 
PURPLEFIRE said:
I am not at all opposed to going in a different direction but still think he will get it done.... I think this team looks a hell of a lot different with hunter and Wilms and mcswiggan.... And hunter was the only one he really had any control over but that is just me!! I have never seen a coach have such bad luck!
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Alot of other teams would be good if they didn't have people leave early, get injured, or have NCAA issues.

How good would Kentucky be if they didn't have ballets leave for the draft?

Excuses, excuses. It's not like Vince quit during fall practice. Wilms is Wilms and McSwiggan hasn't even played a college game and came from England. Not exactly the inner city of Chicago. How many times have you seen McSwiggan play?
 
FeralFelidae said:
I don't envy SMU who repeatedly tries to cheat themselves to the top and keeps paying the price. Undefeated, perhaps their best team ever, and they can't play in the post-season. Dirty school, dirty boosters, and I'm glad we're not them.

I can sleep soundly at night knowing we're not them.
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Yup. I realize some on here are in love with the place and the Preston Hollow (subdivision)- Panera Bread loving-"I live in the same area as George W Bush" neighborhood but that school is in a constant pissing contest with TCU and cheat like hell.
 
utep2step said:
Yup. I realize some on here are in love with the place and the Preston Hollow (subdivision)- Panera Bread loving-"I live in the same area as George W Bush" neighborhood but that school is in a constant pissing contest with TCU and cheat like hell.
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2Step, Dallas is a liberal bastion in Texas. Its every bit as liberal as Austin. The suburbs epecially collin and Tarrant County are conservative. Dallas however is dark blue and very progressive. Most of the professors raised holy hell when they put the Bush library at SMU.
 
FeralFelidae said:
I don't envy SMU who repeatedly tries to cheat themselves to the top and keeps paying the price. Undefeated, perhaps their best team ever, and they can't play in the post-season. Dirty school, dirty boosters, and I'm glad we're not them.

I can sleep soundly at night knowing we're not them.
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What's better? Being UTEP right now, losing to San Antonio and winning (sometimes) or being SMU who is Top 25 and undefeated. SMU won't play in the NCAAs and its likely UTEP won't either. You would rather be clean and not win? Why wouldn't you want to win dirty and have the end result the same? Even though SMU is gaining national attention and will likely get better recruits for years to come.
 
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The point was not SMU envy folks. The point is that a historically bad bball program made the necessary changes to turn around their program! Perhaps the cheating perceptions are warranted but nothing as of yet has proven that is the case now so I attribute it to coaching and an overall winning philosophy from the athletic dept and boosters. We all thought that CTF was that man for us but facts have not proven that true. You can belabor causation all you want but the fact is that the numbers don't support that his tenure has at all been a success. Hell, Billy's first year, that beloved team of scrappers, you saw the improvement week after week even through all of the losses. I seriously cannot say that about this year's squad and that is terrible portent about our future.....
 
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I think we need to take a hard look at the program. Most people on here think we're a basketball school and we should always have high expectations. However, nothing in the past 23 years of the program warrants high expectations. We are quickly approaching twenty five years of irrelevancy. We are only a basketball school in the minds of some posters on here certainly not in reality. Schools like SMU and San Diego State are light years ahead of us. If we are going to be a basketball school we certainly cant hire disgraced coaches and give them more than five years. No real basketball school would give Floyd the amount of time and rope that he has been given here.

Someone asked earlier why Floyd could win at SC and not here. Its really simple he cheated at USC. I know im going ripped for saying it and thats fine. However, the facts are the facts. Floyd did buisness with Rodney Guillory a sports agent who had got in trouble with the ncaa in 2001. The ad at usc told Floyd not to have dealings with Guillory, Floyd ignored that. Floyd had the best team money could buy at USC and he still couldnt win the Pac 10 or get to a final four. USC got sanctions for Floyd's actions. He wasnt cleared by the ncaa he just wasnt slapped with a show cause. Its just like the cam Newton situation everyone knows Auburn paid Cam, but impossible to prove unless the bag man come sforward. The ncaa lacks supoena power so they can never flip the bag man. Theres a reason Floyd is the most reviled coach in college sports, and its certainly not because he wins. To believe Floyd didnt cheat is to suspend reality.

Somehow we've come to believe Floyd is the equal to Coach K, hes not. Hes campaigned for multiple jobs every offseason. Hes here because nobody wants him. If he gets fired here hes not getting a big time job. He may get a job somewhere like A&M corpus or SELA but even thats unlikely. He's gotten more resources than any of his predecessors and plays in a much weaker conference than his predecessors did. Yet despite the advantages Floyd hasnt come close to matching the success of his predecessors. Its time to stop making excuses for him and cut bait.
 
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The problem with saying 'Floyd has bad luck' is that, although it may be true, its becoming the norm. And when the norm is making excuses, promises of next season, players coming and going, giving a hard working man a scholarship and taking it away, losing games you should never lose, inconsistent line-ups, inconsistent play....

This is the new norm, and its not meeting our expectations of the program.
 
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UTEPy79 said:
Did The Bear chase off and/or discard as many players as TF has?
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I can only speak from the mid 80s and on. With that said, Haskins' teams were the epitome of continuity. It's probably not fair to compare the two in that regard because times are quite different, then and now. In today's I-want-it-now world, kids are quick to bolt when not getting their way. I think a better barometer would be to compare CTF's turnover rate to some of his contemporaries. I'm all about Floyd hitting the road, but i just don't think the comparison is apples to apples.
 
PositivelyPete said:
What's better? Being UTEP right now, losing to San Antonio and winning (sometimes) or being SMU who is Top 25 and undefeated. SMU won't play in the NCAAs and its likely UTEP won't either. You would rather be clean and not win? Why wouldn't you want to win dirty and have the end result the same? Even though SMU is gaining national attention and will likely get better recruits for years to come.
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That is ridiculous!! I would rather lose than cheat and win!! Why??? What's the point of any sport or contest if you cheat? The whole idea of sports is based off competition and competition is definitely not about cheating.....
 
Hey moron I said there isn't a point to play sports if you cheat! Get your head outta your ass
 
Cheaters never prosper. The cheaters (and their fans & boosters) think they do, but as a wise man once said, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but..."
 
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Yeah, cheating didn't work out for SMU and Houston football. Both have more division titles, conference titles, and bowl wins than the Miners do since they got hit with heavy sanctions. SMU got the death penalty, yet UTEP has ate more cow patties since then.
 
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Yeah, cheating didn't work out for SMU and Houston football. Both have more division titles, conference titles, and bowl wins than the Miners do since they got hit with heavy sanctions. SMU got the death penalty, yet UTEP has ate more cow patties since then.
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We get it. You would rather have the end result be a win, even if it means cheating is necessary to get it, even though that isn't really a win by definition. You like the label, rather than the actual accomplishment.
 
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PositivelyPete said:
Yeah, cheating didn't work out for SMU and Houston football. Both have more division titles, conference titles, and bowl wins than the Miners do since they got hit with heavy sanctions. SMU got the death penalty, yet UTEP has ate more cow patties since then.
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Wow that says a lot
About you!! Wow!
Sorry I am not the sell my soul to the devil type
 
PositivelyPete said:
Yeah, cheating didn't work out for SMU and Houston football. Both have more division titles, conference titles, and bowl wins than the Miners do since they got hit with heavy sanctions. SMU got the death penalty, yet UTEP has ate more cow patties since then.
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The city is a big big help. Let's see, would you pick El Paso over Dallas or Houston? And you can't be biased cause you know El Paso. These recruits are not familiar with El Paso, some haven't even heard of El Paso.
 
Minerforlife said:
2Step, Dallas is a liberal bastion in Texas. Its every bit as liberal as Austin. The suburbs epecially collin and Tarrant County are conservative. Dallas however is dark blue and very progressive. Most of the professors raised holy hell when they put the Bush library at SMU.
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I specifically meant the neighborhood surrounding SMU. There is a reason why dubya lives in there. Beautiful older homes though.
 
All he needs to do to be successful is keep the players he recruits. He can't turn the team over every year and hope to be successful. Look at our lineup and see how many upper classmen contribute. Just a few. Conference champions need seasoned veterans and we don't have that.
 
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The city is a big big help. Let's see, would you pick El Paso over Dallas or Houston? And you can't be biased cause you know El Paso. These recruits are not familiar with El Paso, some haven't even heard of El Paso.
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The city isn't everything. Don't you think UNLV and Hawaii would land better recruits than Boise St? Should UT-Arlington get better basketball players than UTEP? North Texas had a crappy team last year in football, that shouldn't b the case since they are right outside of Dallas right?
 
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The city isn't everything. Don't you think UNLV and Hawaii would land better recruits than Boise St? Should UT-Arlington get better basketball players than UTEP? North Texas had a crappy team last year in football, that shouldn't b the case since they are right outside of Dallas right?
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The first thing the coaches should do is take the recruits to L&J then to The Cattlemen's.
 
All it takes is the right coach and the city really has nothing to do with it. Barbee proves it. Players wanted to play in Barbee's dribble drive offense and barbee was a great recruiter on top of that.
Floyd runs a boring slow out dated offense that players don't want to play in. And in my opinion, the Hamilton situation really hurt Floyd in recruiting. Nobody won in that situation and I even think it hurt us. I am sure every coach competing with Floyd for the same player brings it up. I don't know if Hamilton wanting to back on his commitment was because he wanted his grandma to see him play, but everyone is going to believe that was the real reason. Floyd should have just let it go and moved on.
 
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You seem traumatized by someone else on this forum. You post posts like this a lot and I have no clue what you are talking about.
 
EPsports27 said:
All it takes is the right coach and the city really has nothing to do with it. Barbee proves it. Players wanted to play in Barbee's dribble drive offense and barbee was a great recruiter on top of that.
Floyd runs a boring slow out dated offense that players don't want to play in. And in my opinion, the Hamilton situation really hurt Floyd in recruiting. Nobody won in that situation and I even think it hurt us. I am sure every coach competing with Floyd for the same player brings it up. I don't know if Hamilton wanting to back on his commitment was because he wanted his grandma to see him play, but everyone is going to believe that was the real reason. Floyd should have just let it go and moved on.
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And if all these things were true where is barbee now?
 
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