Where is NoWins to comment when you need him? The price difference between UTEP and NMSU is extremely surprising. Senter has some explaining to do
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BingoI don't know what people don't understand about this. D1 sports is a business. It's all about revenue. This is not minor league sports. I've been highly critical al of Senter, but on ticket prices I agree with him fully. Even if the ticket prices are lower how many more people are going to show up at basketball games. I think at the most maybe 1200 but most likely a couple 100. There is absolutely no point to lowering prices and halfing your revenue to get a few 100 more people in the building. We are probably making more revenue now than 10 years ago when we averaged 8,000 a game. When can't cater to El Paso's whiny poor population. We tried for decades it doesn't work. They'll just demand cheaper tickets and concessions it's s never ending race to the bottom with dwindling revenue. If you want to go to the game pay the price.
A lot of those people running concessions are doing so as a fundraiser also.I don't know what people don't understand about this. D1 sports is a business. It's all about revenue. This is not minor league sports. I've been highly critical al of Senter, but on ticket prices I agree with him fully. Even if the ticket prices are lower how many more people are going to show up at basketball games. I think at the most maybe 1200 but most likely a couple 100. There is absolutely no point to lowering prices and halfing your revenue to get a few 100 more people in the building. We are probably making more revenue now than 10 years ago when we averaged 8,000 a game. When can't cater to El Paso's whiny poor population. We tried for decades it doesn't work. They'll just demand cheaper tickets and concessions it's s never ending race to the bottom with dwindling revenue. If you want to go to the game pay the price.
I completely understand what you're saying. My question is how can NMSU afford to do it in the same market as UTEP? If I'm a neutral fan (a military family or new resident of the area) and can go see a program that has had more success than us and will cost less, I might go watch NMSU despite the drive. Part of business is understanding supply and demand and price elasticity principles.I don't know what people don't understand about this. D1 sports is a business. It's all about revenue. This is not minor league sports. I've been highly critical al of Senter, but on ticket prices I agree with him fully. Even if the ticket prices are lower how many more people are going to show up at basketball games. I think at the most maybe 1200 but most likely a couple 100. There is absolutely no point to lowering prices and halfing your revenue to get a few 100 more people in the building. We are probably making more revenue now than 10 years ago when we averaged 8,000 a game. When can't cater to El Paso's whiny poor population. We tried for decades it doesn't work. They'll just demand cheaper tickets and concessions it's s never ending race to the bottom with dwindling revenue. If you want to go to the game pay the price.
Great question. UTEP can afford to do it too. I’m in the camp that Senter is charging too much. Cost doesn’t and wouldn’t affect me personally, however I think it is alienating some folks that would otherwise show up. To take a family of 4 to a game is not within reach for many an El Pasoan as prices stand now.I completely understand what you're saying. My question is how can NMSU afford to do it in the same market as UTEP? If I'm a neutral fan (a military family or new resident of the area) and can go see a program that has had more success than us and will cost less, I might go watch NMSU despite the drive. Part of business is understanding supply and demand and price elasticity principles.
I would like to see proof of this. Regardless if it's a business or not imo the most important thing is winning and creating hell for opposing teams. I rather see the Don as a fortress where teams know it will be a full house than know Senter made an extra thousand dollars.I don't know what people don't understand about this. D1 sports is a business. It's all about revenue. This is not minor league sports. I've been highly critical al of Senter, but on ticket prices I agree with him fully. Even if the ticket prices are lower how many more people are going to show up at basketball games. I think at the most maybe 1200 but most likely a couple 100. There is absolutely no point to lowering prices and halfing your revenue to get a few 100 more people in the building. We are probably making more revenue now than 10 years ago when we averaged 8,000 a game. When can't cater to El Paso's whiny poor population. We tried for decades it doesn't work. They'll just demand cheaper tickets and concessions it's s never ending race to the bottom with dwindling revenue. If you want to go to the game pay the price.
Imo winning isn't going to be enough anymore. UTEP football had it's first winning season since 14 and had 10k for senior night. Until we start seeing athletic buildings go up, what exactly are we doing with all the extra revenue we're getting from gatekeeping 70% of the El Paso market?Great question. UTEP can afford to do it too. I’m in the camp that Senter is charging too much. Cost doesn’t and wouldn’t affect me personally, however I think it is alienating some folks that would otherwise show up. To take a family of 4 to a game is not within reach for many an El Pasoan as prices stand now.
Id love to see the Don roaring again. That will take two things in my opinion. Winning and decreasing ticket prices. The winning part is showing some signs of promise.
Treading water.Until we start seeing athletic buildings go up, what exactly are we doing with all the extra revenue we're getting from gatekeeping 70% of the El Paso market?
We'll see. It wasn't that long ago that an 11-6 team would be guaranteed to draw 8k+ and NMSU 10-12k. Now we're drawing half of that.Treading water.
The bandwagon fans will jump back on the next time UTEP challenges for a conference title again. They always have.
Football attendance was down because we shit the bed against UTSA. We had 32,000 for that game and laid an egg. We lost 5 of the last six games and alot of momentum. Is it painful to see 10k for a game? Absolutely Would I lower ticket prices to get a bigger crown? Absolutely not. We have talked about UTEP deficiencies in conference realignment for months really years. Where we lack is revenue and capital investment. We have catered to El Paso's poverty row for decades. You know what it got it us some attendance but no revenue. Is poverty row going to donate to UTEP? NO. Is poverty row going buy premium seats? NO. Is poverty row going to pay for premium parking? NO. Build up your product on the field/court and people will pay the price. I think alot of people are forgetting attendance is irrelevant especially for hoops. 4200 for a 10-8 team in a one bid league is a good number. It's about getting the maximum number of dollars per sold seat possible. If we want to have poverty games I have no problem having cheap games for one game a year against fcs teams in football and the two games against d2 teams UTEP tries to act like are real games in basketball.Imo winning isn't going to be enough anymore. UTEP football had it's first winning season since 14 and had 10k for senior night. Until we start seeing athletic buildings go up, what exactly are we doing with all the extra revenue we're getting from gatekeeping 70% of the El Paso market?
Absolutely right. Do the math. 8,000 fans at 12 dollars a ticket doesn’t bring in more money then 4500 at 25 a pop. They prefer the smaller crowd paying more. I don’t disagree with the strategy. But if you keep ticket prices at this range you don’t need 10,000 seats for the DHC. Bring everyone closer to the floor, Pack it in and bring some energy back into the building!Football attendance was down because we shit the bed against UTSA. We had 32,000 for that game and laid an egg. We lost 5 of the last six games and alot of momentum. Is it painful to see 10k for a game? Absolutely Would I lower ticket prices to get a bigger crown? Absolutely not. We have talked about UTEP deficiencies in conference realignment for months really years. Where we lack is revenue and capital investment. We have catered to El Paso's poverty row for decades. You know what it got it us some attendance but no revenue. Is poverty row going to donate to UTEP? NO. Is poverty row going buy premium seats? NO. Is poverty row going to pay for premium parking? NO. Build up your product on the field/court and people will pay the price. I think alot of people are forgetting attendance is irrelevant especially for hoops. 4200 for a 10-8 team in a one bid league is a good number. It's about getting the maximum number of dollars per sold seat possible. If we want to have poverty games I have no problem having cheap games for one game a year against fcs teams in football and the two games against d2 teams UTEP tries to act like are real games in basketball.
Was it really 32k or were 5-10k of those UTSA fans like you had predicted? We were 6-3 going into senior night. When was the last time that happened?Football attendance was down because we shit the bed against UTSA. We had 32,000 for that game and laid an egg. We lost 5 of the last six games and alot of momentum. Is it painful to see 10k for a game? Absolutely Would I lower ticket prices to get a bigger crown? Absolutely not. We have talked about UTEP deficiencies in conference realignment for months really years. Where we lack is revenue and capital investment. We have catered to El Paso's poverty row for decades. You know what it got it us some attendance but no revenue. Is poverty row going to donate to UTEP? NO. Is poverty row going buy premium seats? NO. Is poverty row going to pay for premium parking? NO. Build up your product on the field/court and people will pay the price. I think alot of people are forgetting attendance is irrelevant especially for hoops. 4200 for a 10-8 team in a one bid league is a good number. It's about getting the maximum number of dollars per sold seat possible. If we want to have poverty games I have no problem having cheap games for one game a year against fcs teams in football and the two games against d2 teams UTEP tries to act like are real games in basketball.
It might when you factor in the concessions that an extra 3,500 fans would be purchasing.Absolutely right. Do the math. 8,000 fans at 12 dollars a ticket doesn’t bring in more money then 4500 at 25 a pop.
Problem is we've been getting a Hyundai at the price of a Cadillac.I hate to say this, but El Pasoans want the comfort of a Cadillac at the price of a Hyundai. Things are changing, but it’s a slow process. I get my axe chaffed when I hear the stories of family x going to see the Cowboys at $200 plus ticket but they complain about $15 to see the hometown college team. I am sorry, gone are the days of the $5 ticket with the Price’s milk cap. Miner fans, suck it up, you get what you pay for…Senter is trying to raise the bar.
Years and years of being mediocre and worse will slowly erode away at a fan base. Especially when consistent winning was 3 decades ago and a lot of supporters from that era have gone on to meet their maker.We'll see. It wasn't that long ago that an 11-6 team would be guaranteed to draw 8k+ and NMSU 10-12k. Now we're drawing half of that.
So we’ve got a “pretty good” product on the court right now, however sparse crowds. Looked at as $15 it isn’t so bad. Looked at as $60…meh, maybe not so good. Maybe there should be a family package deal that when bought in groups of 4, there’s a significant savings. I don’t know. I think it would generate more interest, bigger crowds with negligible, if any, loss in revenue. We need future fans. Most die hards are that because they started going as kids. EP ain’t the richest city. I think Las Cruces is in a similar boat, yet NMSU has figured it out (and I hate saying that).I think the product on the court right now is pretty good. I don’t think $15 is unreasonable, in the year 2022, to see a division one men’s college basketball game.
Although I hate how it looks when top levels are shut down, I would be ok with UTEP doing it. Brining people closer together would make for a better environment.How do you guys that go to the games feel about shutting down the top level until it’s even needed. Let that bottom level fill up! From everyone I have spoken to it’s like watching paint dry in the DHC right now. How would you guys feel about it’s impact on the energy inside?
This sucks because you are a true die hard fan. There are many others that share your situation.Speaking for the poor in El Paso., there is no way in hell I can take my family at the current prices. We used to go when they were 10.00 in the top section, but do to health issues we need to seat in the mid level seats. My dollars don’t go that far.
Before Covid we would go to most womens games but Senter is trying to price those out of reach also. ( you could sit anywhere, not now) .
So all of you who say shut up and pay, need to try living on 40,000 a year. See how many games you can go to. So take your holier than thou attitude and stop demeaning people who are not as fortunate as yourselves.
Ok the let’s compare it to present NMSU thenImo winning isn't going to be enough anymore. UTEP football had it's first winning season since 14 and had 10k for senior night. Until we start seeing athletic buildings go up, what exactly are we doing with all the extra revenue we're getting from gatekeeping 70% of the El Paso market?
Apparently you can't even drink water at an NMSU game right nowOk the let’s compare it to present NMSU then
UTEP Fans Won't Pay High Prices to Watch Miner Basketball
UTEP is averaging just over 4,000 fans per home game, and the Miners high ticket prices are a big reason why fans are not filling up the Don Haskins Center.krod.com
Coach Golding will not forget this article. There is a tad premature-ness to this article but on face value and to get fans to call in, I get it.Ok the let’s compare it to present NMSU then
UTEP Fans Won't Pay High Prices to Watch Miner Basketball
UTEP is averaging just over 4,000 fans per home game, and the Miners high ticket prices are a big reason why fans are not filling up the Don Haskins Center.krod.com
$28? I certainly don't go to that theater. I honestly rarely pay more than $10/ticket to go to the movies.To me $14 seems like a very reasonable get in price. That's a family of four for around $60. That's seems like a really good deal. Most theaters now charge around $28 a person to see a movie. UTEP's get in price is half that.
Would dropping the get in price to $10 really get many more people in the door?
$28? I certainly don't go to that theater. I honestly rarely pay more than $10/ticket to go to the movies.
Montwood TheatreSame here. Where are tickets to a movie $28?
Montwood Theatre
So they had them overpriced eh?Tickets were 50 cents on Tuesdays before it closed!