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BREAKING: Miners currently hosting a transfer QB and former five-star recruit

Not to make excuses, but it’s harder to turn a football team around in one year as compared to basketball.
No it’s not. Curt Cignetti took 3-9 Indiana to the CFP in year 1. He recruits and plays against Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan and other Big 10 schools.

Jerry Kill took 2-10 NMSU to 7-6 and won a bowl game in his first year. NMSU is an all-time bottom tier FBS job.
 
No it’s not. Curt Cignetti took 3-9 Indiana to the CFP in year 1. He recruits and plays against Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan and other Big 10 schools.

Jerry Kill took 2-10 NMSU to 7-6 and won a bowl game in his first year. NMSU is an all-time bottom tier FBS job.
I’m not saying it’s impossible to turn a football program around in one year, but highly improbable. You’re describing two success stories compared to maybe 10 failures. Yeah, kudos to those coaches for turning their programs around in one year. The reality is, it’s not that easy. If it was that easy, everyone including you would be a football coach.
 
No it’s not. Curt Cignetti took 3-9 Indiana to the CFP in year 1. He recruits and plays against Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan and other Big 10 schools.

Jerry Kill took 2-10 NMSU to 7-6 and won a bowl game in his first year. NMSU is an all-time bottom tier FBS job.
Indiana is a bad example…. They got crushed by Ohio state and barely beat a mid Michigan team …. They didn’t play anyone good in the big 10
 
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The question is: are these one year turn arounds being sustained. NMSU doesn’t appear to be. Time will tell about Indiana.
So if you win one year is that turning a program around? I think the the answer is No.
Rarely, if ever. What school has gone from zero to being a consistent power in your lifetime? I was looking at the NCAA Football national Champions and it’s the same schools that win: Bama, LSU, one of the three Florida schools, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio St., Clemson. You have to go back to 91 with Washington and 1990 with Colorado/Ga Tech before you got some weird outlier teams. The super elite teams have enough money to keep the competition down. They can spend more money than anyone else. TCU and Boise State have tried but they can’t shatter the glass ceiling.
 
I don't get the questioning? Yes, they are rhetorical in nature to inspire debate but UTEP went thru this before. In all fairness, the king of recruiters (post Bob Stull era) still goes to Nord. He recruited the players and went to a bowl and after struggling was let go and left a fully stocked kitchen for the incoming administration that led to another two bowl appearances for the head coach. Now, that is a legacy for Nord and should not be forgotten (but his head coaching lacked so many other intangibles, so his ouster was warranted). Scotty has not delivered anything, yet. Just two conference recruiting crowns and a former top 2023 qb. I am so hoping he is our version of Kaidon Salter skill set with a little Tyler Huff moxy and leadership. No Pavia comparison. Pavia is a unique player and I don't want our qb taking on linebacker's.
 
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The question is: are these one year turn arounds being sustained. NMSU doesn’t appear to be. Time will tell about Indiana.
So if you win one year is that turning a program around? I think the the answer is No.
Who cares? NMSU lost their coach. Do you think they would have been 3-9 if Kill would have been there this year?

If Walden wins, he will leave. The second he wins, he will leave. So does it matter if he wins in year 2 or year 4?
 
You always bring up programs that have a one year turnaround, now you say it doesn’t mean anything.
We will be happy to have a winning season but alll us want to have prolong success.
No one thinks or expects us to compete with the P -5 schools.
I’m talking about sustainability. There’s a really really good chance UTEP will never sustain it because of history. If Walden wins and moves on, time for the next guy to come in a win ASAP. Not wait 4 or 5 years to appear in the NM Bowl.
 
I’m talking about sustainability. There’s a really really good chance UTEP will never sustain it because of history. If Walden wins and moves on, time for the next guy to come in a win ASAP. Not wait 4 or 5 years to appear in the NM Bowl.
Just to play devil's advocate, you do have a legit point. Let's take Boise St vs UTEP and why I pick these two. A color commentator pointed out during a BSU game some weeks back that Boise has built upon the legacy of legendary coach Dirk Koetter who HC's there from '98-2000 (who just announced he is officially retired after a 42 year career) and he was a coach at UTEP early in his career. Both schools went in opposite directions. There was a Lee/Bailey/Nord/Kugler (played under Stull) UTEP connection but it did not yield much success but to mirror Koetter, Boise has become the best mid major in college football.
 
I’m talking about sustainability. There’s a really really good chance UTEP will never sustain it because of history. If Walden wins and moves on, time for the next guy to come in a win ASAP. Not wait 4 or 5 years to appear in the NM Bowl.
That’s exactly what I’m talking about
 
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Boise State has done a good job growing their program in a sustainable manner. Their new HC is making 1.1 million meanwhile their previous coach Andy Avalos was making 1.7 million and Chris Petersen was making over 2 million before he left. While they can pay more it looks like they are doing their due diligence and not overpaying for their coaches because they fired Avalos only three years in. UTEP will be making about 4 million per year with the new MWC media deal and they should be able to pay every head FB coach over a million. There’s no reason not to.
 
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I hope the 3rd party contractor that sells season tickets for UTEP is ready for an influx of calls! Once this article is read, phone lines are gonna be jammed with ticket buyers!

We do know that you won't be calling.
 
And? You said Mario McKinney coming here would sell tickets because he had a lot of instagram followers.
This is totally different. Do you even understand how big this could be for Utep? He was the number 1 recruit on ESPN. He doesn't get in trouble and has no issues, all he wants is to start. If Uteps wins with him at starting QB then Utep has hit the jackpot.
 
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This is totally different. Do you even understand how big this could be for Utep? He was the number 1 recruit on ESPN. He doesn't get in trouble and has no issues, all he wants is to start. If Uteps wins with him at starting QB then Utep has hit the jackpot.
It doesn’t matter who the QB is, or the RB is, or the DE is, wins are the only thing that matter. Not one person is going to the basketball game tomorrow to see Otis Frazier or KJ Thomas. They’re going because the team is 12-3, on a “streak”, and playing NMSU.
 
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And? You said Mario McKinney coming here would sell tickets because he had a lot of instagram followers.
This is totally different. Do you even understand how big this could be for Utep? He was the number 1 recruit on ESPN. He doesn't get in trouble and has no issues, all he wants is to start. If Uteps wins with him at starting QB then Utep has hit thejackpot.
It doesn’t matter who the QB is, or the RB is, or the DE is, wins are the only thing that matter. Not one person is going to the basketball game tomorrow to see Otis Frazier or KJ Thomas. They’re going because the team is 12-3, on a “streak”, and playing NMSU.


Wins with a Star QB matters to the Media and is a bigger deal than a team that is winning with no star QB. QB is the most popular athlete in sports.
 
I was hoping that drawing Nelson in would lead to a few more big transfer names coming in… I wonder if their is any possibility
 
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He never had the enthusiasm that Walden has nor did he have this level of recruits. There were no Malachi Nelson’s under Terry

He didn't need the enthusiasm to get KD and company to Texas. He had Jalen Green in his backyard while HC at Fresno St., and could not get the kid to commit or follow him to UTEP. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. Before NIL, no one could have gotten Green to either of those schools, heck no one got him to go to college.

There is no one type of recruiting that is guaranteed to work. Walden is making it work here, don't think it's the enthusiasm. I know plenty of coaches around Texas that worship the ground Chris Beard walks on, and its all about relationship for them.
 
He didn't need the enthusiasm to get KD and company to Texas. He had Jalen Green in his backyard while HC at Fresno St., and could not get the kid to commit or follow him to UTEP. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. Before NIL, no one could have gotten Green to either of those schools, heck no one got him to go to college.

There is no one type of recruiting that is guaranteed to work. Walden is making it work here, don't think it's the enthusiasm. I know plenty of coaches around Texas that worship the ground Chris Beard walks on, and its all about relationship for them.
I think you mean Texas Tech. Beard never seemed to have love at Texas
 
He never had the enthusiasm that Walden has nor did he have this level of recruits. There were no Malachi Nelson’s under Terry
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, we don't yet know how good a recruit Nelson will be. It's possible that he could play like an All American next season. It's possible that he could be a complete bust. Obviously, everything in between is possible as well.

We do have the advantage of hindsight to accurately assess Terry's recruiting at UTEP. He did a great job. He brought in a future First Team All Big 12 player (Bryson Williams), a future First Team All Big East player (Souley Boom), a future MEAC POY (Anthony Tarke), and several players that went on to have solid to really good collegiate careers. Unfortunately he couldn't coach the talent he brought in.

I admire Walden's fearlessness and aggressiveness in recruiting, and hope that it pays dividends on the field. Now it's only been one year, but like others I'm really concerned about Walden's play calling. Let's say Nelson turns out to be every bit as good as you predict, what does it matter if most of his plays are sideline screens, handoffs, and QB keepers? As with Terry, Walden needs to prove that he can coach.
 
I admire Walden's fearlessness and aggressiveness in recruiting, and hope that it pays dividends on the field. Now it's only been one year, but like others I'm really concerned about Walden's play calling. Let's say Nelson turns out to be every bit as good as you predict, what does it matter if most of his plays are sideline screens, handoffs, and QB keepers? As with Terry, Walden needs to prove that he can coach.

I've kind of commented on this before, but I am hopeful that what we saw from Walden had more to do with the time available to the QB in the pocket than anything else. The opposing D line lived in our backfield. Most of the time there wasn't enough time in the pocket to develop a long pass. Hopefully a better line will allow a deeper threat.

That's what I'm hoping. What I'm fearing is that he just runs an offense that allows the opposing team to park 11 guys in the box. Next year should tell us a lot.
 
Well as long as Walden is coach here I don't think we will see a short QB,with all the tall OLine that Walden is bringing in .
 
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