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New MWC Possibility:

Would this be better for UTEP?

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 90.9%
  • No

    Votes: 4 9.1%

  • Total voters
    44
I say who cares what deal Utep got, Utep is a back in a normal conference. Look at SMU they didn't care they got a crappy deal but at least they in a power conference. I bet Oregon State and WAZZu would do anything to leave the PAC 12 and join a real power conference.
 



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Utep
Washington state
Oregon State
Boise State
San Diego State
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UNLV
Air Force
Nevada
Sacramento State
Utah State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Hawaii

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Army
Navy
Temple
Tulane
Memphis
South Florida
UTSA
FAU
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UAB
North Texas
Rice
Tulsa
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We’ll see. Cuz it’s not only what the MW will get but what bs deal Senter worked out. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s below what other members will get and that’s why they denied the open records request.
There will definitely be uneven distribution of revenue amongst the members. To keep UNLV and AF, they had to do that. Make them feel special.

Very plausible Senter goofed up and got us a 25% share and a Planet Fitness membership. But, there was no way to know the PAC would have to stoop down to the NMSUs of the world for their final membership slot. UTEP had to jump on the opportunity to get into the MWC.


UTEP should receive about 3.5 million per year but final numbers should come out soon.
 
There will definitely be uneven distribution of revenue amongst the members. To keep UNLV and AF, they had to do that. Make them feel special.

Very plausible Senter goofed up and got us a 25% share and a Planet Fitness membership. But, there was no way to know the PAC would have to stoop down to the NMSUs of the world for their final membership slot. UTEP had to jump on the opportunity to get into the MWC.


UTEP should receive about 3.5 million per year but final numbers should come out soon.
I would say at the worst 50% so if that’s true then 1.75 million would be a million more and a 133% increase than what we get in CUSA. Also if that’s true is the case hopefully it’s not forever and only for a designated amount of years.
 
I hope you guys are right but I can’t wrap my head around a world where a conference loses all of its top brands, replaces them with programs like UTEP and UC Davis, and somehow maintains the same level of TV revenue. It defies basic logic.
Its inflation *bro*
 
I hope you guys are right but I can’t wrap my head around a world where a conference loses all of its top brands, replaces them with programs like UTEP and UC Davis, and somehow maintains the same level of TV revenue. It defies basic logic.
Curious why you purposely excluded Grand Canyon for Basketball and N. Illinois for Football and didn’t mentionUC Davis is Basketball only? Anywho, inflation was mentioned, but also addition by subtraction is something you’re forgetting. Less teams, Bigger pieces!
 
Curious why you purposely excluded Grand Canyon for Basketball and N. Illinois for Football and didn’t mentionUC Davis is Basketball only? Anywho, inflation was mentioned, but also addition by subtraction is something you’re forgetting. Less teams, Bigger pieces!
Fewer teams also means fewer markets and less exposure for the league to sell to tv networks. As I’ve said from the beginning, don’t take everything you see online at face value. Until there’s an official announcement speculation is just that.
 
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Fewer teams also means fewer markets and less exposure for the league to sell to tv networks. As I’ve said from the beginning, don’t take everything you see online at face value. Until there’s an official announcement speculation is just that.
The speculation hasn’t just been from us though Corona, it’s been from pretty reliable sources. People who know a lot more than you or I.
 
The speculation hasn’t just been from us though Corona, it’s been from pretty reliable sources. People who know a lot more than you or I.
The only semi reliable source I’ve heard tossing around those figures is someone unknown from the Mountain West offices. Forgive me if I’m not naive enough to believe those numbers. Of course they’re going to spin things in the most favorable light. They’re trying to position themselves as an attractive destination for expansion. It’s basic PR strategy, inflate the upside, downplay the reality. Until I see the actual contract details I’ll remain skeptical.
 
Live programming is really the only thing keeping tv alive at this point. Will the MWC get the same or more than the Pac 12? I don’t think so, not even close. Still because of later tip and kick offs, MWC programming is still valuable. No reason not to believe they can get the same amount per team or more starting in 2026.
 
The only semi reliable source I’ve heard tossing around those figures is someone unknown from the Mountain West offices. Forgive me if I’m not naive enough to believe those numbers. Of course they’re going to spin things in the most favorable light. They’re trying to position themselves as an attractive destination for expansion. It’s basic PR strategy, inflate the upside, downplay the reality. Until I see the actual contract details I’ll remain skeptical.
I don’t see it being much less than before, maybe a little. The core teams will get the most, followed by Hawaii, N. Illinois and Utep probably the same only because Utep is bringing all sports, Grand Canyon and then UC Davis
Estimates based on what MWC officials are saying and speculation. Either way Itep is in a much better situation however you wanna slice it. Travel- Better, Rivalries-Better, Money Better

My Estimation: TV Deal Pay Outs per school

UNLV & Air Force 4.5-5 million
Wyoming, SJSU, UNM, Nevada 3.5-4 million
Hawaii 2.5-3 million, plus Travel Costs
N. Illinois (Football) and Utep 2-2.5 million
Grand Canyon St. (Basketball) 1-1.5 million
UC Davis (Basketball) 750K-1 million
 
I don’t see it being much less than before, maybe a little. The core teams will get the most, followed by Hawaii, N. Illinois and Utep probably the same only because Utep is bringing all sports, Grand Canyon and then UC Davis
Estimates based on what MWC officials are saying and speculation. Either way Itep is in a much better situation however you wanna slice it. Travel- Better, Rivalries-Better, Money Better

My Estimation: TV Deal Pay Outs per school

UNLV & Air Force 4.5-5 million
Wyoming, SJSU, UNM, Nevada 3.5-4 million
Hawaii 2.5-3 million, plus Travel Costs
N. Illinois (Football) and Utep 2-2.5 million
Grand Canyon St. (Basketball) 1-1.5 million
UC Davis (Basketball) 750K-1 million
I’m pretty sure the media payouts will be the same for all full members. Only NIU, GCU, and UCD should get reduced media payments.

UNLV and Air Force are pocketing most of the exit fees compared to the others, they’re not going to get a majority of the media value too.

That’s something they all resented when Boise received more.
 
I’m pretty sure the media payouts will be the same for all full members. Only NIU, GCU, and UCD should get reduced media payments.

UNLV and Air Force are pocketing most of the exit fees compared to the others, they’re not going to get a majority of the media value too.

That’s something they all resented when Boise received more.
Well if that does prove to be the case that’s better for Utep and I’d be very surprised if it’s under 3 million for any of the full members. Corona is comparing MWC to CUSA deal and forgetting the Sun Belt gets 2 million per team. The realigned MWC will 100% get more than the SBC.
 
I don’t see it being much less than before, maybe a little. The core teams will get the most, followed by Hawaii, N. Illinois and Utep probably the same only because Utep is bringing all sports, Grand Canyon and then UC Davis
Estimates based on what MWC officials are saying and speculation. Either way Itep is in a much better situation however you wanna slice it. Travel- Better, Rivalries-Better, Money Better

My Estimation: TV Deal Pay Outs per school

UNLV & Air Force 4.5-5 million
Wyoming, SJSU, UNM, Nevada 3.5-4 million
Hawaii 2.5-3 million, plus Travel Costs
N. Illinois (Football) and Utep 2-2.5 million
Grand Canyon St. (Basketball) 1-1.5 million
UC Davis (Basketball) 750K-1 million
Highly doubt that UTEP gets paid the same as NIU.

If we agreed to that then... well, our administration is probably stupid enough to agree to that.
 
Highly doubt that UTEP gets paid the same as NIU.

If we agreed to that then... well, our administration is probably stupid enough to agree to that.
Well I would highly doubt that we would get less than N. Illinois since they’re only bringing Football. Also remember we were signed up way before N. Illinois.
 




The PAC essentially cherry picked the top programs from the MW specifically those with the strongest TV ratings. While half of the media rights deal the PAC secured seems plausible it’s hard to understand how the MW expects to maintain or even exceed its current media revenue with the remaining teams plus the additions.
 




The PAC essentially cherry picked the top programs from the MW specifically those with the strongest TV ratings. While half of the media rights deal the PAC secured seems plausible it’s hard to understand how the MW expects to maintain or even exceed its current media revenue with the remaining teams plus the additions.
So… Corona then what this is basically saying is what we’ve been saying all along. MWC will be around 3.5 million per school which is about half of what the PAC is getting. That would be way higher than you’ve been saying. Even if UNLV and Air Force get more, I’d be very surprised if Utep gets under 2 million which again is more than 2 in half times what we make now.
 
So… Corona then what this is basically saying is what we’ve been saying all along. MWC will be around 3.5 million per school which is about half of what the PAC is getting. That would be way higher than you’ve been saying. Even if UNLV and Air Force get more, I’d be very surprised if Utep gets under 2 million which again is more than 2 in half times what we make now.
What I’ve been trying to understand and maybe you can help explain it is this: How does a conference lose its top brands, its most valuable TV ratings teams, and still end up securing a media deal that’s worth more than the one it had before?
 
How does a conference lose its top brands, its most valuable TV ratings teams, and still end up securing a media deal that’s worth more than the one it had before?
The MWC is still valuable because of the time slots it plays in. Allegedly Fox and CBS are still going to be aligned with the MWC. FS1 and CBSSN need late night programming. Something the MAC, SBC, CUSA, and AAC really can’t provide.
 
The MWC is still valuable because of the time slots it plays in. Allegedly Fox and CBS are still going to be aligned with the MWC. FS1 and CBSSN need late night programming. Something the MAC, SBC, CUSA, and AAC really can’t provide.
That still doesn’t explain why those TV partners would be willing to pay the same amount or even more for a product that’s clearly diminished in quality.
 
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That still doesn’t explain why those TV partners would be willing to pay the same amount or even more for a product that’s clearly diminished in quality.
NBA ratings have continuously dropped and they still get more money on their next contract. When was the last time a sports organization took a pay cut on their media deal?
 
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NBA ratings have continuously dropped and they still get more money on their next contract. When was the last time a sports organization took a pay cut on their media deal?
I think cusa after it lost UH, Memphis, UCF and all those school.
 
I think cusa after it lost UH, Memphis, UCF and all those school.
Even CUSA when it was down to 5 teams and replenished with FCS move ups and teams nobody else wanted, was able to get a pay increase.

When CUSA lost those teams, media was still different and the remaining CUSA teams did not want to sacrifice start times/days for tv slots. Cable TV was still king and streaming was in its infancy.

Live events are very valuable. FS1 or CBSSN won’t get nearly the amount of viewers for some taped program or old games, as they would for live MWC content.

That’s why it’s highly likely the MWC receives nearly the same or more money, despite losing the best teams.
 
What I’ve been trying to understand and maybe you can help explain it is this: How does a conference lose its top brands, its most valuable TV ratings teams, and still end up securing a media deal that’s worth more than the one it had before?
So again even if it’s a bit less than what they had before, there are fewer schools. Add on what Kane mentioned about time slot and keeping the same TV Networks. With all that combined its believed it will be close to the same per team which was I believe 3.5-4 million each team. You again brought up a good point about Utep possibly getting less. Idk if that’s the case, but it could be. Even with that though Utep’s TV payout is set to more than double and more than likely triple the $750,000 we are currently getting.
 
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I don't think PAC 12 took the best of Mountain West. I mean okay Boise State but thats it. I don't really think the other schools move the needle. Im talking about football programs and how do they know that OSU and Washington State don't bolt for a better conference??
 
I don't think PAC 12 took the best of Mountain West. I mean okay Boise State but thats it. I don't really think the other schools move the needle. Im talking about football programs and how do they know that OSU and Washington State don't bolt for a better conference??
They will if any conference ask.
 
Yeah that’s true. I talked to 15 miner fans and they said being in a league with San Jose St is better than one with San Diego St. Fans are glad that Wyoming is coming here instead of Colorado St as well!
Yeah SDSU, Boise St. and Colorado St. were the big losses then to a smaller extent and who really cares Fresno St. and Utah St. Here how it stacks up as of right not counting a possible addition of Texas St.

Football: Best vs Best
Boise St. Washington St. Oregon St. Fresno, SDSU, Utah St. Beats out N.Illinois UNLV Air Force San Jose Hawaii Wyoming

Basketball: Best vs Best
Gonzaga, SDSU, Utah St. Colorado St. Washington St. Boise St. beats UNM, Grand Canyon, Wyoming, UNLV, Hawaii (UTEP-I’ll throw them in here ahead of UC Davis, Air Force and San Jose for now, hesitantly)
 
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