One of the Many Basketball Transfers
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I was high on Cameron (much more than Barnes) and so were the scouts. Cameron went to some school I've never heard of while Barnes transfers to the AAC.
I was actually high on Barnes. He just looked college ready from a physical standpoint. Thought he was underrated as a HS player too. He needs some refining but I bet he'll contribute at Tulsa.
Barnes looked like a man playing in the Drew League this past summer, everyone was high on Cameron because he had high-major offers and was a four-star, but Barnes looked ready to me, Don't understand why Floyd throws players under the bus, then they end up doing well at other places.
Barnes was the most college ready wing Floyd has brought in, sad it didn't work out, hope he finds PT at Tulsa.
Barnes was the most college ready wing Floyd has brought in, sad it didn't work out, hope he finds PT at Tulsa.
I was just thinking the other day, out of the hundreds that have left, who has done well?
I liked Barnes. He's the first I remember going to a better place when they left.
Victor Sanders has had a great career at Idaho and is a senior this year. Rumor has it he was all set to come to UTEP, but the staff passed on him at the last minute due to injury concerns. Not a transfer, but ended up being a significant miss. Point being, a guy who transfers out, and ends up being a marginal contributer somewhere else, is not a major loss in my opinion. On the other hand, guys like Barrett and Barnes, seemed to have upside. It will be interesting to see how their college careers play out.
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I wish him luck too. IMO Cameron was quicker, stronger and more athletic than Barnes. From the little he played he looked good. I thought he was a future glue player that could play lockdown D. He was and engineer major too. I'm not sure what I missed with him but Floyd sure didn't want him (or Barnes).
Again, out of the 700 transfers, who has moved onto a better place, excluding Moultrie. I guess Washburn going to TCU was better, but eh on his progression.
It seems to me that we never hear from most of them again. I know some these kids give us high hopes coming in and we blame Floyd when they bolt (yep me too) but honestly, if they never stand out anywhere else, what have we really lost?
Good for Chris. Tulsa is a great landing spot. I wish him well.
It seems to me that we never hear from most of them again. I know some these kids give us high hopes coming in and we blame Floyd when they bolt (yep me too) but honestly, if they never stand out anywhere else, what have we really lost?
Good for Chris. Tulsa is a great landing spot. I wish him well.
When you lose to Norfolk and the coach of Norfolk questions your level of talent, it's hard to say that these players are transferring to programs not as good as UTEP
Right, but what does that say about the level of talent Floyd has brought in?
Barbee got and kept better talent; Floyd gets and loses lesser talent.
The few exceptions are guys like Hunter that left (prematurely) for pro careers, but left nonetheless.
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Shit, I can’t remember.
We need another category for “never played” starting with Hamilton.
Darius Nelson cont....
This is one player that maybe it's a good thing he left. This former CTF recruit was a legit Caracter type player but with an outside game. Athletic, strong, tall, big body and fearless. But as soon as the season started he got miffed at his lack of playing time and left the program. Floyd did not want to let him go but reports after one early season game stated he literally threw a tantrum after one game and quit.
Sacramento Bee 02/09/2015 Nelson faces felony charges:
"After two failed attempts at a college basketball career, Nelson is being held at the Rio Cosumnes Correctional Center in Elk Grove. Nelson, 23, faces two felony charges after an alleged home invasion Dec. 12 in Elk Grove, according to the Elk Grove Police Department.......Nelson attended UTEP on scholarship in the fall of 2011 after finishing as the third-highest playoff scorer in Sac-Joaquin Section history. Disappointed with his role on the team, Nelson left the Miners without playing in any games and transferred to Cal State Fullerton, where his stay also was brief. He didn’t suit up for the Titans."
This is one player that maybe it's a good thing he left. This former CTF recruit was a legit Caracter type player but with an outside game. Athletic, strong, tall, big body and fearless. But as soon as the season started he got miffed at his lack of playing time and left the program. Floyd did not want to let him go but reports after one early season game stated he literally threw a tantrum after one game and quit.
Sacramento Bee 02/09/2015 Nelson faces felony charges:
"After two failed attempts at a college basketball career, Nelson is being held at the Rio Cosumnes Correctional Center in Elk Grove. Nelson, 23, faces two felony charges after an alleged home invasion Dec. 12 in Elk Grove, according to the Elk Grove Police Department.......Nelson attended UTEP on scholarship in the fall of 2011 after finishing as the third-highest playoff scorer in Sac-Joaquin Section history. Disappointed with his role on the team, Nelson left the Miners without playing in any games and transferred to Cal State Fullerton, where his stay also was brief. He didn’t suit up for the Titans."
This former CTF recruit met a tragic end. I totally forgot about Michael Haynes:
"basketball recruit Michael Haynes, age 22, died of gunshot wounds late Thursday afternoon near his home in Chicago....[Haynes] Was shot dead while trying to break up a fight over a stolen necklace," Blouin said. “He was an innocent victim, very loved by everybody.”...."Shot in the wrist, chest and lower back about 5:10 p.m. in the 11600 block of South Vincennes Avenue......At Indian Hills, Haynes averaged 6.9 points and 4.5 rebounds last season playing for coach Barret Peery. He had originally signed to play at UTEP where head coach Tim Floyd in an April 2010 EPVOX interview described Haynes as:
"Great competitor, great rebounder. I have not seen a guy play as hard as Mike in a long, long time."
He graduated from Heat Academy in 2010, where the team was 36-4 and ranked 4th nationally by USPrepBasketball.com.
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"basketball recruit Michael Haynes, age 22, died of gunshot wounds late Thursday afternoon near his home in Chicago....[Haynes] Was shot dead while trying to break up a fight over a stolen necklace," Blouin said. “He was an innocent victim, very loved by everybody.”...."Shot in the wrist, chest and lower back about 5:10 p.m. in the 11600 block of South Vincennes Avenue......At Indian Hills, Haynes averaged 6.9 points and 4.5 rebounds last season playing for coach Barret Peery. He had originally signed to play at UTEP where head coach Tim Floyd in an April 2010 EPVOX interview described Haynes as:
"Great competitor, great rebounder. I have not seen a guy play as hard as Mike in a long, long time."
He graduated from Heat Academy in 2010, where the team was 36-4 and ranked 4th nationally by USPrepBasketball.com.
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Matt Korcheck was an original Barbee recruit taken up by CTF:
Tuscon.com 12/18/2014
"In November 2009, UA forward Matt Korcheck signed a letter-of-intent to play for the Miners under coach Tony Barbee. But he never did make it to El Paso: Barbee took off for Auburn after that season, and Korcheck’s academic qualifications were in doubt, so Floyd let him go. “We had not seen him play, and his coach said he was not going to qualify, so it didn’t feel comfortable for him or us,” Floyd said.
When Korcheck instead enrolled at Cochise College, Floyd later tried to jump back in but found Korcheck was “locked in on Arizona.” Korcheck committed to UA in April 2012, sat out 2012-13 as a redshirt, and has played a reserve role since then."
This really doesn't count as a signed, registered (at UTEP), practiced and suited up UTEP player and left abruptly CTF player.
Tuscon.com 12/18/2014
"In November 2009, UA forward Matt Korcheck signed a letter-of-intent to play for the Miners under coach Tony Barbee. But he never did make it to El Paso: Barbee took off for Auburn after that season, and Korcheck’s academic qualifications were in doubt, so Floyd let him go. “We had not seen him play, and his coach said he was not going to qualify, so it didn’t feel comfortable for him or us,” Floyd said.
When Korcheck instead enrolled at Cochise College, Floyd later tried to jump back in but found Korcheck was “locked in on Arizona.” Korcheck committed to UA in April 2012, sat out 2012-13 as a redshirt, and has played a reserve role since then."
This really doesn't count as a signed, registered (at UTEP), practiced and suited up UTEP player and left abruptly CTF player.
Desmond Lee played for NC State in the NCAA tournament.
Mike Perez played well at Nevada
Jones is at Wyoming MWC and McSwiggan Portland WCC.
IMO Barbee should have never left after that NCAA loss. He would have had a loaded top 25 team (minus Caracter) and another shot at the NCAA. Moultrie would have returned after testing the waters. He still had Britton and McCulley. There was a freshman group coming in including John Bohanon, Eric Moreland and Matt Korchek. Add that to Culpepper, Stone, Polk, Strong and Jeremy Williams. Floyd could have had this team too if he could have held on to them quick.
Mike Perez played well at Nevada
Jones is at Wyoming MWC and McSwiggan Portland WCC.
IMO Barbee should have never left after that NCAA loss. He would have had a loaded top 25 team (minus Caracter) and another shot at the NCAA. Moultrie would have returned after testing the waters. He still had Britton and McCulley. There was a freshman group coming in including John Bohanon, Eric Moreland and Matt Korchek. Add that to Culpepper, Stone, Polk, Strong and Jeremy Williams. Floyd could have had this team too if he could have held on to them quick.
Sometimes I wonder what might have been if Floyd had beat Memphis in that final in EP his first year.
Another two CTF recruits that tickled our pickle on here but ended up ditching UTEP on prom night.
CBSSports.com 08/20/2012
" Anthony January was busy in the spring, decommitting from UTEP and reclassifying into the class of 2013. Since opening his recruitment, though, January has been pretty quiet.
During July, January made an impact with the Dream Vision AAU team alongside five-star rising senior Isaac Hamilton. His athleticism and scoring ability were on display throughout the AAU circuit.
“I’ve been playing real good,” January said. “I’m getting better at everything, running up and down. I can play big, inside-outside, make plays.”
Talent-wise, the 6-foot-7 January has the potential to be among the top players at his position. He can score in so many different ways, and creates matchup problems with his length and ability to finish at the rim.
Consistency and maturity have been the issues with January...."
CBSSports.com 08/20/2012
" Anthony January was busy in the spring, decommitting from UTEP and reclassifying into the class of 2013. Since opening his recruitment, though, January has been pretty quiet.
During July, January made an impact with the Dream Vision AAU team alongside five-star rising senior Isaac Hamilton. His athleticism and scoring ability were on display throughout the AAU circuit.
“I’ve been playing real good,” January said. “I’m getting better at everything, running up and down. I can play big, inside-outside, make plays.”
Talent-wise, the 6-foot-7 January has the potential to be among the top players at his position. He can score in so many different ways, and creates matchup problems with his length and ability to finish at the rim.
Consistency and maturity have been the issues with January...."
Barbee did not like El Paso and somewhat justifiably so. Most UTEP fans had fits over his Coach Cal style of play despite Barbee's strong recruiting, good (on and off the court) discipline, conditioning (Barbee had players working out before it was "time to make the donuts"), and producing the best PG in CUSA and a CUSA defensive POY. Barbee was really underappreciated while at UTEP.
Rashanti Harris. One of Floyd's first top recruits that couldn't qualify. The first sign of Floyd's high risk-high reward carousel of recruiting. The never ending true stories of D1 college basketball.
commercialappeal.com 09/19/2014
"Though Harris attended New Hope High School, a short ride from Mississippi State, he fell in love with Ole Miss thanks to a strong connection with Rod Barnes, who coached the Rebels from 1998-2006. By the time Harris graduated, Barnes was the head coach at Georgia State in Atlanta. Harris signed on and became the highest-rated recruit in program history.
“If I could have gotten into Georgia State,” Harris said, “I would have been one and done and in the league.”
He couldn’t get in. The academic issues from high school followed him to Georgia State, and he never saw the court.
Harris enrolled at a prep school where he says he “did what I was supposed to do” in the classroom. He signed with UTEP to play for coach Tim Floyd, thinking there was no one better to get him to the NBA than a coach who had been there. He failed to qualify for a second time.
“I never got to play a college game,” Harris said.
He turned pro and spent a few injury-plagued seasons abroad before returning to Mississippi. The academic mistakes ate away at him for three years... "
But Harris is hoping for one more chance at a comeback, and he’s getting in shape for another trip overseas. The chase for the NBA continues.
“School isn’t for everybody,” Harris said. “And even though it’s not, I should have put more effort into it.”
commercialappeal.com 09/19/2014
"Though Harris attended New Hope High School, a short ride from Mississippi State, he fell in love with Ole Miss thanks to a strong connection with Rod Barnes, who coached the Rebels from 1998-2006. By the time Harris graduated, Barnes was the head coach at Georgia State in Atlanta. Harris signed on and became the highest-rated recruit in program history.
“If I could have gotten into Georgia State,” Harris said, “I would have been one and done and in the league.”
He couldn’t get in. The academic issues from high school followed him to Georgia State, and he never saw the court.
Harris enrolled at a prep school where he says he “did what I was supposed to do” in the classroom. He signed with UTEP to play for coach Tim Floyd, thinking there was no one better to get him to the NBA than a coach who had been there. He failed to qualify for a second time.
“I never got to play a college game,” Harris said.
He turned pro and spent a few injury-plagued seasons abroad before returning to Mississippi. The academic mistakes ate away at him for three years... "
But Harris is hoping for one more chance at a comeback, and he’s getting in shape for another trip overseas. The chase for the NBA continues.
“School isn’t for everybody,” Harris said. “And even though it’s not, I should have put more effort into it.”
I wouldn’t call Floyd’s recruiting high risk/high reward.
I’d call it high risk/low reward.
I’d call it high risk/low reward.
Even under Coach Haskins we'd see troubled players or players who left the university before their eligibility was up. Off the top of my head Carl Davis, Henry Hall, Chris Walters, Jeremy Primozich, Jeff Deal, Graham Davies, David Dick, Joe Griffin, Damion Goza, Jamal Hill, Von Bennett... some due to lack of playing time, some for academic reasons, some just took off.
Players leaving is not the problem. If Floyd would win conference titles and NCAA tournament games I could care less if we had a new team each year.
That was off the top of your head? Holy crap!
He was hated by a lot of people and I still don't know why. Remember all the boos on the jumbotron at the Western Kentucky game? That was disgusting!
That was classless. Barbee made a lot of season tickets holders (old people) mad because he took down the banners and consolidated them into a few. Heaven forbid you walk into the DHC and don't see the 1987 ncaa banner hanging.
Those people are why Tim Floyd is still coaching. Want to hang onto the past. Those banners are old, some are crooked or hung wrong, colors don't match and mean nothing. Not 1 recruit cares about any of those banners. Barbee lost to some bad schools like Chicago St, but Floyd has lost to worst. He's accomplished less, been here longer, and embarrassed the program worse.
All those losers that booed Barbee are getting what they deserve. Games versus teams nobody cares about and fewer and fewer fans to complain about. Old fans turned off new fans and new fans don't care about stuff that happened 10 plus years ago. Tim Floyd sucks.
