UTEP gets to 20 wins? Yes, UTEP can still get 20 wins without winning the CUSA Tournament. Would that be worthy of a CBI bid?
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Unfortunately, we don't get to play Rice, USM, or MTSU in the tournament.
No. Its a meaningless tournament. Win the tourney or go home. We're not that close to 20 wins. We have three wins the ncaa doesnt count against d3 schools. I actually like our chances in the tourney. It's a team playing with house money.
Right, so if the Miners make it to 20 wins, that would mean beating a few better teams along the way (making the 20 wins a bit more impressive). I'm not saying it WILL happen; I'm asking about IF it happens.
There is no way in hell we get to 20 wins. Not happening the way our coach coaches and subs, the way our offense runs and the games being away from the Don.
Even with Vila being benched for good, Verhoeven playing tough D and Edwards on fire, monkeys will fly out of my butt first.
Even with Vila being benched for good, Verhoeven playing tough D and Edwards on fire, monkeys will fly out of my butt first.
There’s no way Senter is paying money to play in the CBI. Have you seen the attendance lately? You think fans will be buying 5,000 tickets in 3 days notice to play some other sucktastic team?
I’ve never given two shits about the CBI, however, “IF” we win 6 of 7 down the stretch, including making the CUSA championship and actually make a game of it, I’d like to see where that momentum would take us.
The downside, and a real possibility, would be that we come out, play like shit, and then lose to a Stetson, Montana State or Albany in the first round. Talk about demoralizing. It’s a big ass “IF” anyway. I don’t see it happening.
The downside, and a real possibility, would be that we come out, play like shit, and then lose to a Stetson, Montana State or Albany in the first round. Talk about demoralizing. It’s a big ass “IF” anyway. I don’t see it happening.
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CBI is more an invite to pay to play. If they win even 18 or 19 they'll be invited. It'll be up to Senter and Terry to play.
What we’ve done up to now is already considered “worthy” of the cbi.
I do think we should play in the CBI. I am disappointed in the season. I actually thought the team could/should win 24-26 games. It was possible. The team has lost 8 games by 5 points or less. Could they get on a run and win the CUSA tournament? Absolutely, but that is not likely. Is the team better than last year? Yes. Will people show up in large enough numbers to pay for CBI games? If UTEP makes the games general admission for $10 it would cover the cost. If they happen to win the CBI then it will create excitement and hope for next year. I am not saying these things will happen but why not roll the dice at this point.
As i have noted before, UTEP would have to sell 5,000 tickets to just break even for the CBI costs at $10 a ticket. Not even considering paying employees, turning on the lights, etc. UTEP drew over 5,000 twice during conference play. It’s not happening
How does Orem Utah with an athletic budget of 7.2 million compared to our 32 million. Their great crowd of 372 is able to afford a game but we can’t? It’s very simple. It’s not dependent on attendance. Your argument is weak. Very little if any teams in the cbi draw crowds of 5k. Most of them find themselves in worse financial situations than we. I’ll let you figure out where those AD’s get the money to host games. It isn’t from attendance.
As I pointed out to you before, Utah Valley is not UTEP. They have never been to the NCAA tournament and have been to the NIT once. They are a former junior college and have been D1 for 10-15 years. I’m sure their AD thought it was a great opportunity to try and win something. Their fan base does not consider them a “basketball school”. They probably took a huge loss on it, but they gave it a shot.
UTEP has been 3 times already and there is really no reason for them to play. If UTEP is raising their parking 100% for long time season ticket holders, they are not paying money to play in a tournament very few fans care about.
So if they took such a huge loss then why do it again last year? Yeah that makes sense. We lost a shit load of money in 2018 fu*k it let’s do it again in 2019 and lose even more. What about the other 12-15 schools who average 2-3k during the regular season and still hosts games?
UTEP is raising the prices for the high end fans cuz they already figured out the normal cheap fans don’t move the needle. All they do is complain and not even attend the games.
You would have to ask Utah Valley those questions. What I can tell you, is that if the CBI were banking money for its participants, 13-20 Cal St Northridge and 15-17 Longwood would not be in this tournament. Longwood went 5-11 in Big South Conference play! Check out the amount of 20 win teams last year that didn’t play in the CBI or CIT. If you win 20 + games, you’re a good team. Why would you not want to play if it was a for sure financial success?
Your examples further prove my point that attendance is not the reason for declining an invitation. Longwood drew 1000 fans combined to their last two home games of the regular season and averaged 1000 throughout the season and they still hosted a game. But poor oh UTEP averaging over 5k can’t afford it. Ok buddy.
Again, Longwood is a newer D1 program. Never made the NCAA or NIT. Their AD probably thought it was a good opportunity. If UTEP knows it’s going to lose money, they’re not going to do it. Longwood probably didn’t care, as they have never been successful in D1. Their coaches/players were probably excited to play in the CBI.
Do you think Bryson Williams and Kaden Archie want to play in the ****ing CBI?
If the CBI made all their participants money their tournament would not have CSUN and Longwood in it! Plain and simple.
We’re not arguing if they make money. We’re arguing that you said UTEP can’t afford it due to low attendance. I can show you 10 years worth of tournaments with teams that average way less than us and still host games or participate in it. It’s that simple. You’re wrong. UTEP can afford to play in the cbi if they want to.
Where did I say UTEP “can’t afford it”? I said they will lose money.
If any team can profit from the cbi, it’s UTEP. You do know there are these things called “corporate sponsors” that absorb a bulk of the 50k buy in, right? If we get 4-5k in attendance, UTEP would most definitely turn a profit on that game.
Yeah, I’m sure Senter has corporate sponsors lined up and ready to sponsor a CBI game vs Cal St Northridge. Especially considering how successful his programs have been.
End the season ASAP and star dreaming about a new basketball coach and new athletic director. Terry is worst X's and O's coach I have ever seen at UTEP, and that includes Coach Rabs.
Longwood who averaged 1000 per game and finished 12-17 found a way but of course UTEP and its good for nothing leadership can’t.Yeah, I’m sure Senter has corporate sponsors lined up and ready to sponsor a CBI game vs Cal St Northridge. Especially considering how successful his programs have been.
Let me try and explain it to you, one last time. Longwood joined D1 in 2004-05 and their best record ever was in 08-09 when they went 17-14. That was the 2nd year of the CBI and if you go back and look at the participants that year, they did not have mid majors with losing records. Only eventual champion Oregon St and St Johns did.
So last year Longwood had their best season in 10 years with their current first year coach. Since the CBI has a tough time filling their tournament, they turned to Longwood and asked them to host CUSA team Southern Miss. While the attendance for the game was 1,372, their arena only holds 1,807. Thats 76% capacity for their schools ONLY D1 post season appearance in 15 years and their best season in 10 years.
Longwood is not UTEP. As UTEP could have been in the CBI in 16-17, 15-16, 12-13, 11-12 seasons. I am sure they were asked all those years. They decided not to. They could have even been asked the last 2 years for we know.
UTEP does not need to play in the CBI to chase post season glory like Longwood and Utah Valley. Those two have 1 NIT appearance combined between the two of them. If UTEP had just moved from D2 like these guys, they would be all about the CBI.
With interest in UTEP athletics at like an all-time low, I don’t see them accepting a CBI bid. Maybe they will; they will be asked. I just don’t see it happening.
Shovel and the rest of the gaghole crew are like little chihuahuas....annoying
Also, here’s an article about the game
https://www.richmond.com/sports/col...cle_9ee8bd33-78ef-5b06-94a7-cbab9971aa75.html
Says the Big South also has a fund to “significantly” lessen the costs of joining these tournaments.
https://www.richmond.com/sports/col...cle_9ee8bd33-78ef-5b06-94a7-cbab9971aa75.html
Says the Big South also has a fund to “significantly” lessen the costs of joining these tournaments.
Surprised no ones pointed out the success UTEP had in the CBI in Barbees second year. Not only did the fans come out in droves for the finals against Oregon St., but it was also a great spring board into the following season. I'm not saying I'm pro CBI. I'm saying there's two ways it could go. I don't know if UTEP takes that chance, but it's 50/50 a good result or a not so good idea. Final opinion is, small risk = small reward or small failure
If we got home games we could win. Those games with Oregon St were pretty awesome and definitively created a lot of hype and expectation for our NCAA year. We also knew we had a 5 star center being added to the already exciting team as well.
Yes, it was pretty awesome losing to the 8th place Pac-10 team in the deciding game on our home court. Was definitely “hyped” after that for next season!!
Point is UTEP made money and the Don sold tickets. You clearly stated that this year that wouldn't be the case, Period. I simply said it can go either way. You may be right or you may be wrong, depends on how they perform. It also did help with the excitement for the following year and this year would at least have a chance to end on a somewhat positive note. Again though for the record I'm on the fence. I'm still highly disappointed in this year's team. I'd much rather see an improbable Tourney Win.
Yes, it was pretty awesome losing to the 8th place Pac-10 team in the deciding game on our home court. Was definitely “hyped” after that for next season!!
It did not add to anything. If you go back and look at their schedule for that year. They were getting their normal 6k-8k per game. That was normal back then. It wasn’t until they had beat Memphis and UAB on the road and come home to face Houston, that they started drawing 10k plus for the rest of the year.
Nice explanation for longwood. You should already know why UTEP didn’t accept a CBI bid all those years. If you don’t then you’re trolling.
Like I’ve said many times interest in the program will not be why they do or don’t go the cbi. If Terry believes this young group will stick around and he wants the extra practice and games for his players then we will be on here arguing about the shitty opponent. This is a new administration. The old one and their decisions will have no bearing on what Senter/Terry do.
UTEP is outdrawing the conference champion despite higher ticket prices and the position on the standings. On books team interest is fine. The team is “young”. They have already “doubled” the win total from last year and want to show more improvement. Lastly they don’t have to host the first round or the second or anything until the championship game.
Please list the attendance for the final regular season home game for UTEP the last 10 years. Notice a trend? When was the last year UNT averaged more than 5,000 a game? Outdrawing a conference champion that doesn’t draw, is not a way to back up your argument that interest “is fine”.
Senter doesn’t care about the attendance listed by the previous AD. 1. Stull didn’t even know the official capacity of the Don and 2. He often manipulated attendance figures to show we were #1 in attendance in the conference. Yes to an AD, if your university is outdrawing in attendance and outselling in ticket prices not only the conference champion, but every other team in the top pod, it shows the interest is healthy.
Senter manipulates numbers as well. The attendance figures for this year was tickets sold, not actual attendance.
I will go back to the 280 pound person thinking they're skinny if they compare themselves to the 300 pound person. It's silly to compare ourselves to UNT, who is located in a suburb of a large city with many, many sports options.
The 17-18 home finale was versus Southern Miss, attendance was 6,117 - Senter was already AD then and this was Floyd’s last season. So season tickets were sold with Floyd as coach
The 18-19 home finale was versus Middle Tennessee, attendance was 4,748 - decrease of 1,369. This was with a new coach that supposedly fans were excited about.
This season’s home finale was versus Southern Miss, attendance was 4,975 - an increase of 227. So 227 more people were excited about double the wins and a good start to the season.
Assuming UTEP didn’t beat Tech or start 8-1, what do you think the attendance would have been without that excitement? Is interest that healthy if less fans are going to Terry games, even though he doubled wins, than they did at the end of Floyd’s tenure?
Is this 'young" team going to be here next season? If so, then the CBI could do some good. If not, and there is going to be a mass exodus. Then why bother.
I say, let the players decide. Get a show of hand for the guys that want to keep playing.
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