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The problem with small school hires (as I see it)

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Reflecting back on the athletes that Golding has recruited in his time here and also the athletes that transferred here during Walden's first year, one variable stands out - size. Golding has year after year recruited players that turned out to be exceptional athletes and good basketball players but that lacked the one key element that we often associate with high level basketball performers which is size, height, length, whatever you want to call it. Every year we moan and groan about how we tend to recruit small guards seemingly exclusively. Guys who are 6'4" and below. Right now we have 7 players on the team who are 6"4" and below and three more guys who are 6'5" and 6"6". The rest are guys between 6'8 and 7'0" who play sparingly. Kalu being the obvious "big man" trying to fend off the opposing teams 7 footers at a small looking 6'9". This UTEP basketball squad is one of the smallest I can remember, certainly can't compare with Barbee's squad of 2010 nor Haskins squad from '92.

A casual glance at Walden's first year squad would reveal the same. Guys who play hard and with a lot of heart but who are small compared to other D-1 squads we play.

Why is it that our coaches don't recruit larger athletes at key positions? I believe it's the small school mentality. The coaches we get from former FCS schools go after players they recruited at their previous schools that they can know they can attract instead of going after players they need to win at this level. The ACUs and Austin Peays can compete with other teams in their conferences with small athletes but they struggle to compete against larger athletes. Bottom line is we need size, not just heart to win at the D-1 level. One need only look at our rebounding stats to figure that out.

I believe Lou Holtz said it best when we said, "I'd rather have a good big guy than a good small guy".

(And yeah, I know UTEP is not that big of a school but we expect to perform at big school level)
 
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So how do other CUSA teams get the big guys? Look at NMSU, they don't have a problem getting size. It's the coach and UTEP opening up the pockets for a decent coach.
It is not an issue of opening up the pockets. NMSU’s coaches make less than UTEP’s and they have accomplished much more than UTEP has. Golding is one of the higher paid coaches in CUSA. The issue is finding a good coach but our useless AD struggles at that.
 
In my opinion, there are two main roster holes on the team: A go-to scorer, and the lack of a reliable 3/4. The issues they have down the stretch in games is due to the first roster flaw. These types of players are on other CUSA teams, so it is possible for UTEP to get similar ones. It is on Golding and his staff for not being able to bring in these types of players.
 
In my opinion, there are two main roster holes on the team: A go-to scorer, and the lack of a reliable 3/4. The issues they have down the stretch in games is due to the first roster flaw. These types of players are on other CUSA teams, so it is possible for UTEP to get similar ones. It is on Golding and his staff for not being able to bring in these types of players.
Not being able or not trying? My point in this is that big school assistants, as opposed to small school coaches who are hired at larger schools, have a different mentality when it comes to recruiting. Dimel recruited size. You could see it. Couldn't recruit quarterbacks but plenty of offensive linemen. Barbee recruited size. One sports writer once ran into UTEP's Barbee team on a plane and remarked that they looked like an NBA team.

One of the many problems Billy G. ran into at Kentucky was that he came from smaller programs and built winners using a certain type of athlete. At Kentucky, he ran into a whole different caliber athlete who was totally different than the ones he was used to. Never worked out although he was a great coach and had great players. Just a different mentality.

And another thing. In a couple of years we're going to be playing UNLV and New Mexico on the regular. Take a look at UNLV's roster. If this don't scare the crap outta you, I don't know what will.

Sort By: Jersey Name Position Class Hometown Height Weight Go
2024-25 Men's Basketball Roster
#Full NamePos.Ht.Wt.Yr.Exp.HometownPrevious SchoolHigh SchoolTwitterInstagram
0Isaiah CottrellF6-11245R-Jr.Las Vegas, NevadaWest VirginiaBishop Gorman HSIsaiahCottrellisaiah.cottrell
1Jalen HillF6-62306thLas Vegas, NevadaOklahomaClark HS
2James Evans Jr.G6-6205Fr.Wichita, KansasWest Ranch HS
3Luke NaserG6-0200Fr.Las Vegas, NevadaLiberty HS
5Rob Whaley Jr.F6-7260Sr.Farmington, UtahCollege of Southern idahoBountiful HS
10Jaden HenleyG6-7215Jr.Ontario, CaliforniaDePaulColony HS
11Dedan Thomas Jr.G6-1185So.Las Vegas, NevadaLiberty HS
12Jacob BannarbieF6-9235R-Fr.Anchorage, AlaskaHillcrest Prep
13Brooklyn HicksG6-3190So.Seattle, WashingtonTimberline HS
14Jailen BedfordG6-4180Sr.Austin, TexasOral RobertsHutto HS
15Jace WhitingG6-3190Jr.Burley, IdahoBoise StateBurley HS
20Julian RishwainG6-62006thLos Angeles, CaliforniaFloridaNotre Dame HS
22Pape N'DiayeF7-0220Fr.Ivory CoastTrinity International HS
24DeMarion YapG6-3155Fr.Las Vegas, NevadaArbor View HS
31Faris MucharbachF6-11215Fr.Las Vegas, NevadaBishop Gorman HS
45Jeremiah "Bear" CherryF6-11280Jr.San Diego, CaliforniaNew Mexico JCSaint Mary's Catholic
 
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Not being able or not trying? My point in this is that big school assistants, as opposed to small school coaches who are hired at larger schools, have a different mentality when it comes to recruiting. Dimel recruited size. You could see it. Couldn't recruit quarterbacks but plenty of offensive linemen. Barbee recruited size. One sports writer once ran into UTEP's Barbee team on a plane and remarked that they looked like an NBA team.

One of the many problems Billy G. ran into at Kentucky was that he came from smaller programs and built winners using a certain type of athlete. At Kentucky, he ran into a whole different caliber athlete who was totally different than the ones he was used to. Never worked out although he was a great coach and had great players. Just a different mentality.
Many Kentucky fans refer to the BG era as their dark days and believe he was in way over his head
 
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Lobos roster just for fun

NumberNamePositionHeightWeightClassHometownPrevious School
0CJ NolandG6-4210Sr.Waxahachie, TexasNorth Texas
1Braden AppelhansG6-7195RS-So.Blue Springs, Mo.Western Reserve AcademyAppelhansBradenBradenAppelhans1
2Donovan DentG6-2185Jr.Riverside, Calif.CentennialDonovandent1donovandent2
3Tru WashingtonG6-4205So.Phoenix, Ariz.AZ Compass Prep
4Kayde DotsonG6-2190Fr.Beaumont, TexasBeaumont United
6Atiki Ally AtikiF6-10225Sr.Mwanza, TanzaniaBYU
7Ibrahima SackoF6-6230So.Conakry, GuineaGeorgia Tech
8Filip BorovicaninF6-9220Jr.Belgrade, SerbiaArizona
11Quinton WebbG6-6205RS-So.San Bernardino, Calif.Etiwanda_quintonwebb5_q5webb
13Daniel ThomasF6-8225Fr.Dallas, TexasDallas Carter
21Deraje AgbaosiF6-7215RS-Jr.Union, N.J.North Alabama
22Mustapha AmzilF6-9215RS-Sr.Helsinki, FinlandDayton
23Nelly Junior JosephC6-10240RS-Sr.Benin City, NigeriaIona
24Jovan MilicevicF6-10240Fr.Toronto, Ont.Dream City Christian
32Shane Douma-SanchezG6-1175RS-Fr.Laguna Pueblo, N.M.Del Norteds32_shaneshanesaucy_shaneshane
35Dylan ChavezG6-5185Fr.Albuquerque, N.M.La Cueva
 
In my opinion, there are two main roster holes on the team: A go-to scorer, and the lack of a reliable 3/4. The issues they have down the stretch in games is due to the first roster flaw. These types of players are on other CUSA teams, so it is possible for UTEP to get similar ones. It is on Golding and his staff for not being able to bring in these types of players.
Agree, but Golding wanted to play small with 3 guards and have Frazier be the 3-4 everything. He was good with the bigs filling in at the 5 and being backups.

In the traditional sense I think we needed a good 4. That would have allowed Frazier to be the 3 and reasonably allow Kalu to start at the 5 (being a 4th year senior). The bench would have been deeper and could have allowed EJ to progress. There would have been many more lineup options, better rebounding, inside scoring and back side help. It also could both take some of the scoring burden off of the guards while opening them up more and vice versa.
 
There are typically three ways that schools hire new head coaches:
  • Promote from within
  • Hire an assistant from a bigger school
  • Hire a head coach from a smaller school
The first option is only viable if your program is successful. We obviously used it when we replaced Gillispie with Sadler. Otherwise we have typically chosen one of the other two options (Price was the exception). The truth is that that there are countless stories of both success and failure from each of these methods of finding a coach. The most extreme example of the third type of hire was when we hired a high school coach from a small town. He ended up becoming a legend, but I would never suggest going back to that well. Post Haskins, we've been most successful when hiring assistants, not sure if that means anything or is just coincidence.

In the case of Golding I don't think that the fact that he came from a smaller school is the reason that he hasn't been successful. Yes, he's recruited a ton of guys in the 1 through 3 spots, but have a single one been elite? I love OF3, and he is an elite defender, but as a scorer he's best suited to be the second or third option on a team, not the primary option. At the beginning of the season I thought Bynum might be an elite shooter, but he's proven to be streaky, and when he's off he's really, really bad. Camper is a great defender, but is also streaky offensively. Hardy, Powell, and Givance were all incredibly inconsistent. So yeah, Golding has proven incapable of recruiting a complete big man, but he's also proven incapable of recruiting a true superstar at any position. Off the top of my head I believe that he's the first UTEP Basketball coach that I can say that about.

I don’t think that the issue is that he came from a smaller school. It's that he just can't recruit (he must have had better assistsnt coaches at ACU). He's also a one trick pony when it comes to defense, and don't get me started on how his teams routinely suffer through long scoring droughts. I have to admit that at first I thought he was a good hire; I was wrong.
 
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I think it’s better to find a guy with sustained success over a guy that had 1 great Tournament and/or big tournament win. I don’t have stats to back me up but seems true.

As far as big program assistants, I would bet that it’s about a coin flip if they go on to turn a program around as a first year head coach.
 
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