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This dude is foreal...

Either way, you are wrong.

(4.1 + 9.8) / 2= 6.95

Lesson #1 when reporting a fact- make sure it is 100% correct before you report it. I hope you learn for next time.

And I said 6.9 ppg? The nerve of me.

Oh, and thanks for the lesson. You have a few to learn yourself.
 
Another thead derailed by Chihuahua.
WTF

GO MINERS
Again I say, "I have managed to get along just fine by putting these morons on ignore". Why do you guys allow them to exist by fueling their fire? They are just worthless and annoying little gnats buzzing around you.
 
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(4.1 + 10) / 2 = 7.05

You need to go take a math class.

He actually averaged 9.8 ppg, not 10. And I'm not going to squabble over a percentage point or two with you little doggie.

http://www.databasebasketball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=HARDATI01

Either way, you are wrong.

(4.1 + 9.8) / 2= 6.95

Lesson #1 when reporting a fact- make sure it is 100% correct before you report it. I hope you learn for next time.

Actually the math above is wrong. Before we go into that, let's clear up a little discrepancy on Hardaway's sophomore scoring average. The website that Chih referenced stated that Hardaway scored 310 points in 31 games as a sophomore, for a 10.0 ppg average. The website that FanatiCoog referenced stated that he scored 304 points in 31 games for a 9.8 average. I checked the UTEP Basketball Media Guide, and the numbers from Chih's site are correct: he did score 310 points that season for the 10 ppg average.

Now back to the arithmetic. Making the very simple calculations that Chih did are only accurate if Hardaway played the same number of games in each his freshman and sophomore seasons. He didn't. He scored his 115 points in 28 games as a freshman, compared with scoring 310 points in 31 games as a sophomore, as has already been mentioned. His per game scoring average for his first two years is calculated by taking the total number of points he scored during these two seasons and dividing it by the total number of games he played:

(115 + 310)/(28 + 31) = 7.2 ppg

Now what does all of this mean to the discussion? Nothing really. Hardaway's scoring average has nothing to do with how well Artis will play this year. I personally am taking a wait-and-see attitude with Artis. He was highly heralded coming out of high school, and had a really good year for a freshman. His sophomore year, not so much. Having put his personal probelms behind him will he return to the promise he once showed? I really, really hope so. However we won't really know until we see him play some real games in a Miner uniform. I'm excited to see how he does.
 
Actually the math above is wrong. Before we go into that, let's clear up a little discrepancy on Hardaway's sophomore scoring average. The website that Chih referenced stated that Hardaway scored 310 points in 31 games as a sophomore, for a 10.0 ppg average. The website that FanatiCoog referenced stated that he scored 304 points in 31 games for a 9.8 average. I checked the UTEP Basketball Media Guide, and the numbers from Chih's site are correct: he did score 310 points that season for the 10 ppg average.

Now back to the arithmetic. Making the very simple calculations that Chih did are only accurate if Hardaway played the same number of games in each his freshman and sophomore seasons. He didn't. He scored his 115 points in 28 games as a freshman, compared with scoring 310 points in 31 games as a sophomore, as has already been mentioned. His per game scoring average for his first two years is calculated by taking the total number of points he scored during these two seasons and dividing it by the total number of games he played:

(115 + 310)/(28 + 31) = 7.2 ppg

Now what does all of this mean to the discussion? Nothing really. Hardaway's scoring average has nothing to do with how well Artis will play this year. I personally am taking a wait-and-see attitude with Artis. He was highly heralded coming out of high school, and had a really good year for a freshman. His sophomore year, not so much. Having put his personal probelms behind him will he return to the promise he once showed? I really, really hope so. However we won't really know until we see him play some real games in a Miner uniform. I'm excited to see how he does.
Well stated Maniac. There was a previous mention about the drop off in his sophomore year and a reason or reasons why. Can someone elaborate? I mentioned way back when he first signed that both CJ Cooper and Omega Harris had better stats, so I never understood the hype.
 
Fantastic! Thanks for the clarification, Maniac. I hope, in all the number crunching, that the point wasn't lost. And to further clarify, the comparison between DA and TH, at least the one I made, was in no way an insinuation that because the two are separated by less than a ppg average over their first two years, that Artis will have as successful of a career as Hardaway had. It was to show that Tim didn't exactly light it up his first two years and yet he was one of the best point guards of that era, college or pro. More than anything, the comparison was alluding to the hope that Artis, despite his 6 point whatever average through his first two years, could have a great second half to his college career. Nothing more, nothing less. If all we did was present facts on this board, at the expense of speculation and wishful thinking, this board would really suck.
 
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Chi-hoo-wa-hoo-wa might come off as an annoying little pooch, but he is really a bearded clam. I just thought the truth should be known.
 
Another thead derailed by Chihuahua.
WTF

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I wonder why the moderator doesn't realize all of the drama that Chih causes and the threads he derails. Something needs to be done about this. It turns the message board into a war of words with Chih/Epsilon always in the middle of it. When he comes back under another alias we will identify him easily and lobby to get him off the board again.

If we do have a moderator, can you please open your eyes, see what's going on, and do something about it?
 
I wonder why the moderator doesn't realize all of the drama that Chih causes and the threads he derails. Something needs to be done about this. It turns the message board into a war of words with Chih/Epsilon always in the middle of it. When he comes back under another alias we will identify him easily and lobby to get him off the board again.

If we do have a moderator, can you please open your eyes, see what's going on, and do something about it?

The moderator sends me a monthly newsletter -- don't you get yours?
 
Again I say, "I have managed to get along just fine by putting these morons on ignore". Why do you guys allow them to exist by fueling their fire? They are just worthless and annoying little gnats buzzing around you.
I agree 100 percent with miner1liner, that is what I did and it is much better when I don't have to read their ignorant posts. I can obviously see there is heated discussions with them, but I suggest what me and miner1liner did and put them on ignore. That way they/he posts to themselves.
 
You're asking this question again, huh. Let's try this:

If Artis were your son, would you want him sentenced to prison for rape?

Yes, if he did it.

Like I said, I never said Artis did anything. Just being accused of raping a girl puts you in a bad light. Did Dominic ever come out and say he didn't do it? If somebody ever accused me of something like that you bet I would come out and say 100% I didn't do that and be adamant about it.

It's like with Bill Cosby (no I am not making any comparisons). He never came out and said he never raped anybody- this is why he is being cast in a bad light (along with the numerous accusations) eventhough he has yet to go to jail.
 
Yes, if he did it.

Like I said, I never said Artis did anything. Just being accused of raping a girl puts you in a bad light. Did Dominic ever come out and say he didn't do it? If somebody ever accused me of something like that you bet I would come out and say 100% I didn't do that and be adamant about it.

It's like with Bill Cosby (no I am not making any comparisons). He never came out and said he never raped anybody- this is why he is being cast in a bad light (along with the numerous accusations) eventhough he has yet to go to jail.

So what the **** is your point? That Floyd recruited a rapist so the whole program is corrupt? If so, then don't spend one more cent with the program.

The fact is the DA, who knew more about this incident that any of us ever will, decided not to press charges, probably because she/he thought the evidence wasn't strong enough to get a conviction. The guy's life, therefore, isn't over. If he makes another mistake, he'll pay, but he's been given anorher chance.
 
So what the **** is your point? That Floyd recruited a rapist so the whole program is corrupt?

I never said that. All I'm saying is since most people here thinks that Dominic is innocent, would it be ok if he dates your daughter, sister, cousin, etc.? I thought that was a straightforward question.
 
The fact is the DA, who knew more about this incident that any of us ever will, decided not to press charges, probably because she/he thought the evidence wasn't strong enough to get a conviction.

Thanks for proving my point. That doesn't mean he is innocent, it just means they didn't have enough evidence for him to get convicted.
 
I never said that. All I'm saying is since most people here thinks that Dominic is innocent, would it be ok if he datesyour daughter, sister, cousin, etc.? I thought that was a straightforward question.

I already answered that question, and it's irrelevant anyway. Based on what I've read, I think Artis deserves another chance. I hope he makes the most of it, and here.
 
I already answered that question, and it's irrelevant anyway. Based on what I've read, I think Artis deserves another chance. I hope he makes the most of it, and here.

I know you did and I respect your answer.

And I respect your opinion. I never stated he doesn't deserve a second chance. I also never stated he shouldn't play for UTEP, but I don't like people saying he is innocent either.
 
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