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Dimel's tenure, and how it might provide lessons learned for Walden

Overall, Dana Dimel's tenure here at UTEP was a failure. There were, however, a few positives during his time here. The most obvious positive is that he did give us our first winning season in seven years when we went to the NM Bowl. The other positive thing he did here, at least in my opinion, was to significantly improve the roster. I believe that this is a huge positive, yet his overall tenure here was a failure. I believe that there are three key reasons for this:
  1. Despite the fact that he upgraded the overall roster, he never recruited a good college quarterback.
  2. He insisted on calling plays on offense, even though he did a very poor job at it.
  3. His time management sucked.
Had he done a much better job at recruiting quarterbacks, hired a competent offensive coordinator and let him call the play, and learned to both value timeouts and act with a sense of urgency at the end of halves/games, he could have had a very successful tenure here.

This brings us to Walden. On paper, he is a very good recruiter. While we won't truly know how good this class is until three or four years from now, there is a chance that he might improve the roster more significantly than Dimel did. Hopefully he has recruited his quarterback. I haven't noticed his time management being anywhere near as bad Dimel's. But he shares a huge weakness with Dimel: he insists on calling the plays and offense, and so far he isn't any good at it. If he can wake up, realize this, and hire a good offensive coordinator he can succeed here, provided his recruits turn out to be what we hope they are. If he continues to call plays we can expect the next few years to look a lot like the last six years. A competent AD, having seen the failures of the previous head coach, might point this out to his new young coach. Too bad we don't have a competent AD.

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UTEP definition of “eating” is beating 7 of the worst teams in college football, losing all games to anyone good, just to lose in the New Mexico Bowl. That’s as good as it gets here!
Everyone agrees with the outcomes you mentioned. They're facts. They can't be argued with. Maybe you've answered this, and maybe it's not as easy as just throwing an answer out there because of all the variables in play, but how long do YOU give a coach?

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The thing is, the examples we point to come from programs just as financially constrained as we are, if not worse. In just two years, NMSU accomplished more under Kill than we’ve managed in 60. I’ve never seen UTEP win a bowl game or play in a conference championship game. So here’s the real question: would you prefer two years of what NMSU achieved under Kill, or the 11 years we endured under Kugler and Dimel?
So, the answer to that is obvious. What isn't obvious is how to actually get to the heights NMSU reached. I think we can all agree that a coach shouldn't get 6 years like Dimel, or 9 years like Price, or 7 years like Floyd to turn something around. However, do we continue shuffling coaches every 2 years, every 3 years? What's the magic number? Because in reality, not MANY programs are turned around in a year or two, statistically speaking.

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Write better contracts and stop giving coaches such a long leash. Dimel was 8-33 against FBS teams when he received an extension. Seriously, what more evidence do we need to see that it’s not going to work? We got to eat one of those extension years so it’s all fine and dandy.
UTEP definition of “eating” is beating 7 of the worst teams in college football, losing all games to anyone good, just to lose in the New Mexico Bowl. That’s as good as it gets here!

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The thing is, the examples we point to come from programs just as financially constrained as we are, if not worse. In just two years, NMSU accomplished more under Kill than we’ve managed in 60. I’ve never seen UTEP win a bowl game or play in a conference championship game. So here’s the real question: would you prefer two years of what NMSU achieved under Kill, or the 11 years we endured under Kugler and Dimel?
So Kill had a lighting in a bottle type of thing. That's the exception. 7-6 first year, 10-5 second year. What did they do before? Should the new coach be fired this year? Price had 2 good years when he took over. How'd that work out?

So what's the point of beating this dead horse? Keep digging? Demanding better in year 1? We ALL know our idiots in charge hold on to coaches waaaay too long. They extend contracts for no damn reason, tying our hands even further. I firmly believe Senter is TRYING to hire up and coming coaches eager to succeed and prove themselves so they can springboard success to a bigger gig. Don't get me wrong, I despise Senter. However, I can't fault him for "trying" with these hires.

Walden lost a LOT of linemen BEFORE he was hired. It's seriously hard to gameplan when your QBs are inexperienced AND running for their lives. Give the dude a flipping chance. Not 5 years, but OMG more than 8 games.

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The thing is, the examples we point to come from programs just as financially constrained as we are, if not worse. In just two years, NMSU accomplished more under Kill than we’ve managed in 60. I’ve never seen UTEP win a bowl game or play in a conference championship game. So here’s the real question: would you prefer two years of what NMSU achieved under Kill, or the 11 years we endured under Kugler and Dimel?

Serious Question: How do you do that?

Do you just hire a Coach every 2 years to see if this can happen? For Every Jerry Kill there are 5 Tim Floyd's. Jerry Kill is the exception, not the norm.

You live in Austin, Alot of Tech People. Why don't you invent an Electric Car. Elon Musk did it, why cant you?

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JCorona-we all have the right to bitch about UTEP, but Kane carries it onto the extreme. You of all people know what it takes to run a successful athletic program. MONEY.
And before anyone starts to give examples of schools who have a year or two of success, they do not do it on a consistent basis.
I do wish I had millions to donate-but I don’t. There lies the problem with UTEP. We don’t have the alumni that can or willing to give them the money.
Give me an example of how I carry it “onto the extreme”

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If you’re not donating millions to the programs, please refrain from criticizing their current state. Support the results or keep your opinions to yourself.
JCorona-we all have the right to bitch about UTEP, but Kane carries it onto the extreme. You of all people know what it takes to run a successful athletic program. MONEY.
And before anyone starts to give examples of schools who have a year or two of success, they do not do it on a consistent basis.
I do wish I had millions to donate-but I don’t. There lies the problem with UTEP. We don’t have the alumni that can or willing to give them the money.

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Kane, donate a couple million every year and I believe we will get the coach you want.
UTEP fans don’t donate and I’m sure you don’t either. As the saying goes:
Either shit or get off the pot.
Great idea. I love 2-8 football teams and losing to Utah Valley by 27 points. Super great time in UTEP athletics. I’ll just donate a couple of million I have laying around.

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I don’t know. Just pointing out that it’s possible and schools aren’t waiting 4 years to be good. AAC schools aren’t even giving 3 years now.
Kane, donate a couple million every year and I believe we will get the coach you want.
UTEP fans don’t donate and I’m sure you don’t either. As the saying goes:
Either shit or get off the pot.

OPT: UTEP at UCSB

I agree. I will add that the lack of length at nearly all spots is also a problem, especially when playing four guards and one big. Plus, the defensive scheme that Golding runs often puts guys in mismatch situations for defensive rebounding. Golding made the switch last year to the four guard lineup after the debacle at NMSU to help the team score, but this year, he really only added Barnes and Bynum. While they are ok players on the offensive side, they aren't going to be able to help with defensive rebounding like Hardy and Powell did last year.

Again, I point to Golding's inability to bring in one or two true 3/4 types with length to provide immediate help in this area. Looking at the roster, Golding brought in two guys in Mbengue and Wickware who are no where near able to contribute. Hamilton and Jones would really need to step up in a huge way just to give this team a chance to compete against decent teams. I'm hoping the team shows something tomorrow against a good UCSB team, but the performance against Utah Valley was very disappointing for Golding. It is one thing when a team isn't able to make shots, but the way the team gave up on defense was a very poor reflection on Golding as a coach.
Me too, but I dont see it happening. Too many missing links and what ifs. The poor recruiting is catching up.

I've never been a fan of his defense. I'm an inside out guy. I hate giving up all the layups and rebounds. I think the hedging with centers is dumb.

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Interesting. Maybe that’s why they brought in Colin Deaver? To be a Liaison between Golding and administration?

But reading through Joe Golding’s contract, it’s a 5 year deal with 100% contract buyout in years 1-3 that becomes 50% in years 4 and 5. There is savings to the University by letting start year 4.

I lost count what year is he now?? It seems he has been here a long time.

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I think there is drama going on . With Golding not wearing Utep gear ,and he not following Senter, President Wilson, and David Terrell. I think he is gone after this season.

Interesting. Maybe that’s why they brought in Colin Deaver? To be a Liaison between Golding and administration?

But reading through Joe Golding’s contract, it’s a 5 year deal with 100% contract buyout in years 1-3 that becomes 50% in years 4 and 5. There is savings to the University by letting start year 4.

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Offensive rebounding is all desire. Defensive rebounding is all fundamentals. The ball goes up, put a body on the man you're guarding, and he has no chance to get the board. Unfortunately, not only can't we shoot, we are not fundamentally sound, either.
I agree. I will add that the lack of length at nearly all spots is also a problem, especially when playing four guards and one big. Plus, the defensive scheme that Golding runs often puts guys in mismatch situations for defensive rebounding. Golding made the switch last year to the four guard lineup after the debacle at NMSU to help the team score, but this year, he really only added Barnes and Bynum. While they are ok players on the offensive side, they aren't going to be able to help with defensive rebounding like Hardy and Powell did last year.

Again, I point to Golding's inability to bring in one or two true 3/4 types with length to provide immediate help in this area. Looking at the roster, Golding brought in two guys in Mbengue and Wickware who are no where near able to contribute. Hamilton and Jones would really need to step up in a huge way just to give this team a chance to compete against decent teams. I'm hoping the team shows something tomorrow against a good UCSB team, but the performance against Utah Valley was very disappointing for Golding. It is one thing when a team isn't able to make shots, but the way the team gave up on defense was a very poor reflection on Golding as a coach.
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