Coaching rumblings
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And why is Cockrell gone? Also, why is KJ transferring, you say that you are "Sure" about that?
Maybe so. But I'm pretty sure the budget line entitled, "Eat current FB coach's contract when we fire him" has $0 budgeted.
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At least UTEP wrote the contract to read that Kugler only gets his base pay on his remaining contract if fired. His base pay is about $280k per year and he only has one year left. Doubt there is a cheaper buyout in all of college football.
No one will sleep better at night knowing the buyout is so low, when chances are UTEP will not pull the trigger and fire Kugler. Especially if it's due to a lack of money.
No and if I did, I'd probably ask for too much that Stull wouldn't agree to - which would kill me being hired.
I totally agree about a young hungry coach. They're out there looking for a shot at being a head coach somewhere. People boo-efn-hoo on hiring a coordinator, but I would and would have no problem doing so. Trying to peal off a head coach from another program is going to be difficult. A. If he's a winning coach where he's at and if he's looking anywhere, he's looking elsewhere, ie P5 school. B. If he's from a bigger conference and stepping downwards, I'm guessing he's close to burnout or he got fired from a losing program. I'm not in Stull's shoes, but if I was, I'd be far more aggressive in promoting, selling and managing the program. I said a long time ago, it's ok to be a small school, you just don't have to act like one.
Think small, be small. Think big, be big.
You are mistaking me for someone else. I'm on here every day I just don't reply much. I'm sure I'm NOT the only Carlos on here.
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Looks like Kugler is going to have his regular Wed night radio show. Doesn't sound like he will be leaving if that's the case.
- UTEP Miners @UTEPAthletics 2h2 hours ago
- The season's final edition of coach Kugler's radio show will be Wednesday at 7 at Border City Ale House! Join us or listen on KOFX 92.3 FM!pic.twitter.com/ofB4ITsGV1
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MinerInWisconsin @MinerInWis 1h1 hour ago
@UTEPAthletics Will he be back next year? Any word from AD Bob Stull? Is Stull actually alive?
He will be good too. He has done pretty good there considering Nevada has the lowest budget to work with in the MW.
That is an athletic director/department that gives a shit. Polian had two winning seasons in only four years, and a bowl win. We'd be on top of the world here at UTEP if we had that kind of success.
Stull is only alive on paydays so he can check his pay stub to make sure it is correct.
Looks like Kugler is going to have his regular Wed night radio show. Doesn't sound like he will be leaving if that's the case.
- UTEP Miners @UTEPAthletics 2h2 hours ago
- The season's final edition of coach Kugler's radio show will be Wednesday at 7 at Border City Ale House! Join us or listen on KOFX 92.3 FM!pic.twitter.com/ofB4ITsGV1
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@UTEPAthletics Will he be back next year? Any word from AD Bob Stull? Is Stull actually alive?
Sorry, I thought Cockrell was a senior. No, just a hunch because it is common that players leave when there are coaching changes. KJ was brought it to run Kugler's Pistol package (KJ was NMSU's top recruit and even offered his pops a staff position. His choice of UTEP was stunning to NMSU. Internet rumors say that NMSU was pissed beyond belief).
"That line item is under the black budget.-luv, Dubya"
We must be getting desperate if we want to replace a coach with 4.5 wins per yr in 4 years with one that has 5.75 wins per yr in 4 years. Can't we aim a little higher than that?
He went to two bowls in four years and won a bowl. We can't aim higher because UTEP isn't going to pay more. This is a coach in UTEP's budget.
He has had two 7-6 seasons to one for Kugler. I don't see the attraction. He also took over a program that was already winning. More successful and/or interesting coaches to go after.
How about Helfrich, just fired from Oregon. 4-8 this year but 3 very good years prior to that plus the OC at Oregon for 4 years prior to that. He will get approx $11 million as he leaves so money is not a big deal for him.
He coaches in a better conference, won a bowl game, won non-conference games, and rarely got blown out. UTEP isn't going to get a more successful head coach unless they have baggage.
Mark Helfrich is not and would not come to UTEP. He's going to get another job pretty quick at a school with a bigger coaching salary budget and better program support. Again, what does UTEP have to offer him? Unless Helfrich has a desire to seriously go raw in building a program, he's not coming. Even if somehow he thought he'd do UTEP, Stulls wouldn't give him what he needed to build the program into a winner and that's the fiscal and managerial support needed. Not being cruel to snakes, per se, but I'd slay a hundred of them suckers easily if I thought Helfrich was viable.
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You don't buy that UTEP isn't going to get a top tier head coach without baggage? What makes you think otherwise?
Because I don't think UTEP will really be going after a "top tier" coach, not even the Oregon coach that was just fired. I think when UTEP gets around to looking for a new coach, and that will probably be after next season, they will be looking at successful FCS head coaches or successful coordinators like Applewhite of Houston. I think that's a good way to go.
Not meant to be taken seriously. I'm still hoping for SHSU coach or Central Arkansas coach or Applewhite the OC at Houston.
Applewhite might become UH HC, or return to Texas as OC, or even return to Alabama as OC if Saban cans Kiffin.
Helfrich is pretty good!! I am a duck fan as well as a miner!!! Right now it looks like we are gonna pick up either pj fleck or lane kiffen to replace helfrich!
You'll probably have better luck with Fleck. If Lane can hold on at Bama, the job is his. Oregon hires Greg Schiano, you're literally dead ducks. Schiano is trash.
In what parallel universe would Sabin possibly fire the offensive coordinator of a team that would probably finish second in the NFL East this year? With a pure freshman at QB (from Texas, no less)? Kiffin and Les Miles are squarely in the mix for UH HC. Applewhite's got some pretty serious baggage, may/may not be welcomed back in Austin with Herman. DC Orlando probably a more likely choice if process stays internal. In any event, money will not be an issue in the next hire.
BTW, not just sour grapes, but Herman pissed off a TON people, not because he left for the Evil Empire, but the manner in which it came down. Absolute worst case of false strategic leaks, political intrigue, and back-stabbing. Just killed the team in final game v Memphis, Herman left skeleton staff for UH bowl game, now he's poaching Houston commits. That karma thing is real...
So you think Saban is thrilled with Kiffin?
Applewhite shagged a grad student -- dumb, but not serious enough to overshadow his playing career at Texas.
I tried to tell you months ago Herman was gone.
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Applewhite shagged a grad student -- dumb, but not serious enough to overshadow his playing career at Texas.
I tried to tell you months ago Herman was gone.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well, not exactly. Applewhite was NOT a student or player for UT when the indiscretion occurred. He was a member of the University ofTexas football staff.
And congratulations, you're the only person around who envisioned the possibility that the hottest head coach in the nation might just possibly be bought away by another program. Hope you play the lottery.
Applewhite shagged a grad student -- dumb, but not serious enough to overshadow his playing career at Texas.
I tried to tell you months ago Herman was gone.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well, not exactly. Applewhite was NOT a student or player for UT when the indiscretion occurred. He was a member of the University ofTexas football staff.
And congratulations, you're the only person around who envisioned the possibility that the hottest head coach in the nation might just possibly be bought away by another program. Hope you play the lottery.
Yeah, well, not exactly. Applewhite was NOT a student or player for UT when the indiscretion occurred. He was a member of the University ofTexas football staff.
And congratulations, you're the only person around who envisioned the possibility that the hottest head coach in the nation might just possibly be bought away by another program. Hope you play the lottery.[/QUOTE]
Haha -- if it was so obvious in coming, why are you seemingly butt hurt about it? You had plenty of time to prepare yourself.
Haha -- if it was so obvious in coming, why are you seemingly butt hurt about it? You had plenty of time to prepare yourself.[/QUOTE]
Butt hurt? Tell you what, Mr Horn, if you took the time to read my prior post, perhaps it might make a little more sense to you. Meanwhile, try to get your facts straight.
