Now he's after the Trolleys https://diario.mx/el-paso/definira-cabildo-futuro-del-tranvia-en-el-centro-20230410-2044113.html
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I have to admit that back in the day the success of the trolleys consisted of going to Juarez and they were always packed with people coming across the border to shop in El Paso and or vice versa, but that is never coming back. However in my personal opinion I am a big fan of the trolleys and I think it gives a signature or distinction to El Paso that many cities don't have. I think they just need to find a way of making it more useful. Maybe they didn't design the best route.Good. The trolleys are trash. Anyone with a brain has been against them since their announcement.
“For opponents of the streetcar, such as the art historian Max Grossman, the high cost of operation generates losses for the City.
“In 2022, each trip cost taxpayers approximately $44.62!” said Grossman, who is a professor at UTEP. "In contrast, the average trip for urban buses was 8.77 dollars, five times less."
He insisted that the state of Texas initially provided $97 million for the streetcar system, and it has hemorrhaged financially ever since.
“The $2.9 million annual subsidy comes from the City's half-cent sales tax earmarked for public transportation, and supports the operation of the system, including the salaries of 15 City employees,” he concluded.
So do we get rid of the buses too? They’re trash as well. Mass transit doesn’t make a profit for the city as well.Good. The trolleys are trash. Anyone with a brain has been against them since their announcement.
“For opponents of the streetcar, such as the art historian Max Grossman, the high cost of operation generates losses for the City.
“In 2022, each trip cost taxpayers approximately $44.62!” said Grossman, who is a professor at UTEP. "In contrast, the average trip for urban buses was 8.77 dollars, five times less."
He insisted that the state of Texas initially provided $97 million for the streetcar system, and it has hemorrhaged financially ever since.
“The $2.9 million annual subsidy comes from the City's half-cent sales tax earmarked for public transportation, and supports the operation of the system, including the salaries of 15 City employees,” he concluded.
The trolleys only run in a certain part of the city. The buses run all over the city and might be some lower income people’s only way to transport themselves. It would be great if they were making tons of money, but how would someone living on the eastside get to their job in central and vice versa without a bus?So do we get rid of the buses too? They’re trash as well. Mass transit doesn’t make a profit for the city as well.
While nobody really should care what he thinks, he is the unofficial downtown lightning rod.Why does anybody care what Grossman thinks about the trolleys?
For the trolleys to cross into J Town again, El Paso or Texas would have to pay for the infrastructure across the border because Juarez is bankrupt and has no money for such project, it has a debt that will be paid in full until the 2030's and Juarez is like 80 years way behind in other things that are need it badly. The state of Chihuahua is also sink in debt.The only way for the trolleys to work, was to have them cross into J Town. Now they are just a waste of money and space.
Everyone in EP knew this but someone high up was going to make money off it. Just like everything in El Paso. If you grease the right palms anything can happen.
I use to know a “ gentleman “ who ran an adult nightclub, he would tell me all the time it was time to pay the bribes. They left the club alone, until he left and the new management wouldn’t pay. Club was out of business not long after.
I know it was and is not possible. But that was the only way to have people use it.For the trolleys to cross into J Town again, El Paso or Texas would have to pay for the infrastructure across the border because Juarez is bankrupt and has no money for such project, it has a debt that will be paid in full until the 2030's and Juarez is like 80 years way behind in other things that are need it badly. The state of Chihuahua is also sink in debt.
The only people I would imagine it could have served would be some ladies from Juarez who needed to go clean someone’s house on Mesa.I know it was and is not possible. But that was the only way to have people use it.
Right now it is useless. Why run up and down Staton? Maybe Mesa, and for sure Montana.
It's incredible that the 1960's were far more civilized times for life on the border. When both cities should be way ahead of where they are right now, we seem to live in the apocalyptic times.The only people I would imagine it could have served would be some ladies from Juarez who needed to go clean someone’s house on Mesa.
The US wasn't completely done destabilizing Central America yet.It's incredible that the 1960's were far more civilized times for life on the border. When both cities should be way ahead of where they are right now, we seem to live in the apocalyptic times.
Imagine hitting up Kentucky Club while Sinatra, Reagan, or Jim Morrison were there!It's incredible that the 1960's were far more civilized times for life on the border. When both cities should be way ahead of where they are right now, we seem to live in the apocalyptic times.
I thought giving away the Panama Canal was supposed to help.The US wasn't completely done destabilizing Central America yet.
The same one who is doing this decade long suit to stop the arena. Some local anthropologistWho in the hell is Grossman?
The damage was done by that point.I thought giving away the Panama Canal was supposed to help.
Do they clean you'r house??The only people I would imagine it could have served would be some ladies from Juarez who needed to go clean someone’s house on Mesa.
Not to mention they completely fvcked up Stanton and Oregon streets.Good. The trolleys are trash. Anyone with a brain has been against them since their announcement.
“For opponents of the streetcar, such as the art historian Max Grossman, the high cost of operation generates losses for the City.
“In 2022, each trip cost taxpayers approximately $44.62!” said Grossman, who is a professor at UTEP. "In contrast, the average trip for urban buses was 8.77 dollars, five times less."
He insisted that the state of Texas initially provided $97 million for the streetcar system, and it has hemorrhaged financially ever since.
“The $2.9 million annual subsidy comes from the City's half-cent sales tax earmarked for public transportation, and supports the operation of the system, including the salaries of 15 City employees,” he concluded.
I guess all of San Francisco CA downtown streets are fvcked up.Not to mention they completely fvcked up Stanton and Oregon streets.
Trolleys are worthless and a TOTAL waste of money. While I can't stand Grossman, he is right this time.
Traffic on Stanton and Oregon sucks. Roads suck too.
From Monday through Friday. I guess some of you have never been to Juarez to really get a clue of what fvcked up streets really are.How often do you use it?
To be honest I live on the far east side, so have no use for them. But do to work and Miner Games I drive on Stanton often.