Lunardi’s latest bracket
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I never said Baylor was bad, nor did I say Baylor would not make the final 4. Yet, they have looked extremely vulnerable since taking the month off due to Covid and may never hit there stride again. Therefore, anyone that wants to bet them I would do so with caution. They may not have the time to regain their form they had earlier.
As for the Big 12 being the best conference, I agree with you. Anyone that thinks that Gonzaga or Baylor is going to lose in the first couple of rounds is crazy.
Who cares about last year. Gonzaga is a better team than last year, and that is incredible since they only lost 2 games. You don't even want to go back a year for Dak Prescott, yet you will for Gonzaga.
You tell me which of the 2 bets you want, and how much.
Gonzaga maybe better, but they have the same style of play which will not suit them well in the tournament. Brackets will be out tomorrow so we'll see what they have to go through.
If Michigan has to rely on one player to make their season, they were never that great to begin with. He only averages 13 points a game. They have 2 other players that average the same. They also have 9 seniors on that team.
Gonzaga has 5 players that average over 10 a game. One at 19, and another at 18. Only 2 seniors.
Gonzaga has 5 players that average over 10 a game. One at 19, and another at 18. Only 2 seniors.
Rick Pitino just took Iona to the NCAA Tournament in his first year, and we are stuck with Terry.
Still waiting for your 2 teams on our bet against Gonzaga. Or the 2 to 1 and you can have the field. I hope you take 2 of the 9 big 10 schools they shoved in there. No excuse if the conference falls flat on its face for the 21 st year in a row with no championship.
I'll do bets of head to head against USC, head to head against Michigan and they won't when the championship.
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Ok, so you take the field at 2 to 1 on 20. Then if they play head to head against USC or Michigan, we have 20 on that.
I doubt either of those teams will make it to play Gonzaga, so lets also do this: You take those 2 teams on 20, and whoever makes it farther, Gonzaga or either of those, takes another 20 if they do not play head to head?
Well since they wont make it, we can just do Gonzaga wont win the championship. If USC, Oregon or Michigan does play them, we can do a side bet on those games too.
$20, 2 to 1 odds, Gonzaga wont win the championship?
Yes, you have the field, I have Gonzaga, so 2 to 1 that Gonzaga wins the championship on 20. And if you don't think Gonzaga will make it, then you should pick your 2 teams that you have and stand by them. I also originally said you pick any 2 teams, and I will take Gonzaga at even odds. So, we can say neither wins if none win the title, or whoever goes further?
Up to you, as well as head to head if it happens.
Illinois and Michigan will be my two. Illinois to win it all Michigan to go further.
Ok, you can have both to go further. So, if either go further than Gonzaga, you will win that bet as I stand behind my belief that they will win it all so they should go further than both.
We have 2 set bets:
2 to 1 on Gonzaga going all the way (20) or (40 for me if they win it all)
Gonzaga to go further than Illinois or Michigan (20)
And do you want head to head? We can go USC, Oregon as well head to head because if Michigan or Illinois and Gonzaga play, it is already who goes further, so that bet is already out there.
By the way, I like USC as well to play Gonzaga. I have them in my bracket to reach the Elite 8.
If Oregon, USC or Michigan play Gonzaga we can definitely do a head-to-head bet. I don't think Gonzaga will get past Virginia if they can get their full team for the tournament. Virginia will be ready this time.
Geez Gonzaga must really suck since Oregon, USC, Michigan, Virginia and who knows what other 10 teams can beat them. I guess all the teams they beat were not ready for them. Oregon will have a tough time beating VCU.
Virginia can't even practice before their first game, hence the tough time they will have with Ohio. And yet, they can all beat Gonzaga?
Geez, I would love to have you in an office pool. What about Iowa, are they going to beat them if they play a second time because they will be ready this time too? I guess if Gonzaga wins the whole thing you will say they were not the best team because they may not play any of the teams you mention since all of them may lose before they play?
Ok, so if Virginia plays them we can go another 20 on that one. Do you have any other teams you want to take against Gonzaga? OU, Missouri, Creighton, that whole side of the bracket? I want to clean up here, so I hope I play 3 of them but my gut tells me that none of the teams you mentioned will be there.
Virginia can't even practice before their first game, hence the tough time they will have with Ohio. And yet, they can all beat Gonzaga?
Geez, I would love to have you in an office pool. What about Iowa, are they going to beat them if they play a second time because they will be ready this time too? I guess if Gonzaga wins the whole thing you will say they were not the best team because they may not play any of the teams you mention since all of them may lose before they play?
Ok, so if Virginia plays them we can go another 20 on that one. Do you have any other teams you want to take against Gonzaga? OU, Missouri, Creighton, that whole side of the bracket? I want to clean up here, so I hope I play 3 of them but my gut tells me that none of the teams you mentioned will be there.
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The odds are extremely low this year for Gonzaga. There has never been a team that has been this kind of prohibitive favorite. They are only +205. The next closest is over double that in Baylor.
To say that all those other teams that Taco picked can beat them, is worth a trip to the Sports Book and to bet the money line because they will be big underdogs head to head. If Taco is confident in his picks he would be rich. If he was a handicapper that worked for any sports book, he would be fired.
It could happen, but the probability is small. The sportsbooks know what they are doing and the sharp money is going on Gonzaga. There is more confidence in saying Gonzaga will win it all than saying they won't.
If you had watched Gonzaga play you would understand why they are such favorites.
I've watched Gonzaga play probably 7 times this season. They're not as good as you think they are. Sport books are moved by money and thats it. Most people are stupid which is why sports books make so much money. If you're so confident in all that you're saying, we can bet some real money. It's very easy to open an escrow account and we can put the money in there for safe keeping. I got a $1000 to burn that they wont win. Let me know what you want to do? I'll be back in EP on Monday and we can get this setup.
I was just going off the fact that only 3 times has the #1 overall seed gone on to win the tournament.
Granted they've only been keeping track for about 20 years.
Granted they've only been keeping track for about 20 years.
$1000 bet against Gonzaga to win the whole tournament? Those are pretty good odds for you taking the whole field. Make sure you offer at least 2 to 1 odds since they are +200 and give him 6 to 1 odds on Baylor or Michigan since they are +600 to win it all. That is more fair. Rocket has offered fair bets based on your conversation.
We already agreed on 2 to 1 for the $20 bet. I'm just saying lets bump that dollar amount up with the same odds.
Exactly, as Axingfools has said, that is a stupid bet. IF you have that much money to burn, rather than tell everyone here, you could make a fortune in Vegas on all of you picks. Why would you not go bet the money line and get 4 to 500 hundred on a hundred dollar bet.
Almost every single writer has Gonzaga making it a lot further than you pick them, and most have them winning it all. I think they are not moved by money.
Vegas set those odds way before, and if they are moved by money, which they are, and thought Gonzaga was not going to win it, they would have set the odds much higher to get money on Gonzaga. It is driven to make you bet a certain way, and they don't want you betting Gonzaga. Vegas does not want Gonzaga to win because they are going to take a big hit. They keep dropping the odds because they do not want more money on them. They are plus 185 now. That is how the sportsbooks work. They want money on Baylor as they are now higher than they were +600), hence driving the money that way. Arkansas is plus 5000 right now and they are a 3 seed.
I am not stupid when I bet, so why would I take a crazy bet that Gonzaga will not win the tournament. 2 to 1 that they will, but if you are betting that they will not, you would get minus money if you take the field. Are you willing to put your 1000 up to win 100. That is the bet that you are putting out there. Maybe even larger.
Gonzaga at 2 to 1 to win and Taking every single team against Gonzaga are 2 extremely different bets. I will bet you at minus money if you want that bet. Again, you should go to Vegas and bet every money line against Gonzaga if they are not that good. You will get huge odds if you are so confident.
Secondly, I spread my money around on the tournament and don't center it in one place. I have other bets and have individual bets with spreads. You have ALREADY AGREED to bet even money on a head to head matchup with Gonzaga with any of the teams that you mentioned. That is also a stupid bet on your part as I can win with you and by taking the points on the other side. That is a bettors dream.
Thirdly, it is not that I don't trust you, but when you start throwing a lot of money around people get funny when it is time to collect, especially if I do not know the person. Or, even knowing the person is sometimes worse. I would rather do that in a sportsbook where I know I am getting my money and I can even hedge immediately. Like I said, if you have that kind of confidence and money, you should be on a plane now making your fortune in vegas on your moneyline bets.
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There is nothing to worry about when it comes time to pay up. That is why I suggested we can go to a bank and open an escrow account. The money is sitting there for the winner to collect. It's still the same bet we already agreed to just a little more money added. You sound confident in Gonzaga, so I'm not sure why you're trying to talk me out of it. My $1,000 up against your $500. You in or out?
I will bet you per game head to head straight up for larger amounts. Futures bets are sucker bets. No real bettor makes them unless you have money to burn. I made that bet with you because I have that much confidence in Gonzaga. But it is a stupid bet on my part. The real bettor makes money on the head to head matchups. This is where I have invested my real money and will invest more. I will even bet against Gonzaga if the spread dictates it, but not moneyline because Gonzaga will win outright.
I will bet you on any head to head without a spread as I can clean up on both sides. I am not a frivolous bettor when it comes to anything of substance.
I will bet you on any head to head without a spread as I can clean up on both sides. I am not a frivolous bettor when it comes to anything of substance.
Because it's a dumb bet for him. He just explained it. Obviously you want everything tilted in your favor.
If Gonzaga wins the tournament you lose $2000, so you would need that in your escrow. If Michigan or Baylor (whichever you pick) loses the tournament then he loses $6000 so you would need that in your escrow. Is that the bet you are offering? If so then it favors Rocket just like your bet favors you. If not then don't claim Rocket is trying to talk you out of it, just make it more fair.
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Not sure why you're even involved, but if you read his message he clearly stated that it was a stupid bet on my part.
Ok, well I'm willing to add more to the bets. Let me know which ones you feel comfortable adding more money to if the head-to-heads come about.
I said it was a stupid bet on my part to put all that money in one basket on a future bet. That is why I made it only 20 to make 40. I had 100 on SDSU last year at the beginning of the season and was getting 60 to 1. It was just really a fun bet that almost panned out as they were a 2 seed, and I had to get it refunded. That sucked. But to put a ton of money on that low odds against the field is stupid on my part.
And yes, it is stupid to throw away the points and not get anything for it on your part. You can get plus 500 or more by making that same bet head to head on the moneyline. That is why I am jumping at the chance to bet you straight up and not have to give up any points. I am actually going to take the points against Gonzaga on some of the games and win on both ends.
I am serious that if you are that confident in those head to head matchups that you throw your money on the moneyline. Just a piece of advice for you because you will get huge odds in your favor.
If the games come about head to head we can add to the bets. At this point the future bet is 20 at 2 to 1, and we will bet on any head to head straight up you want. I just hope you are not chasing your money when you lose the first one.
SDSU will not play Baylor until the Final 4 if they get that far. SDSU will beat Syracuse, West Virginia, Houston and then lose to Illinois. Now next year, SDSU gets to the Final 4 with a young team that looks like Houston, but way better defensively.
I have Baylor in the Final 4 against Illinois. It is just hard to see the top seeds losing. It is possible Michigan does, especially to LSU or FSU. Yet, LSU will lose to St. Bonaventure, and FSU may lose to Colorado. I think you will have upsets early, but the top seeds are going to prevail this year. I know it has never happened before.
Taco, who do you have in your brackets. 2Step? Axingfools? What about you guys.
I agree. The #1s are looking really good right now. I think Texas winning the big 12 tourney could take them a long way though. I have 4 Big 12 teams in the elite 8 along with the #1s.
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I haven't filled out a bracket. I usually just do game by game. I do like Illinois and Ohio State to make final four though. Baylor is too reliant on the three ball for my liking.
Baylor gets to beat 4 Big 10 schools in a row. If they do that, they will truly show that the Big 12 is a much stronger conference. The big question mark is Michigan. Do they get knocked out early?
Texas may have some issues with BYU if they meet. That will be an interesting game.
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