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I just don’t see it. Why would a coaching staff, especially one who was on the hottest of hot seats until the end of last season, jeopardize their careers by not opening up competition for the starting QB job?

I’m not saying you’re wrong because you seem to pay close enough attention to the program, and maybe have some inside info, however I don’t buy that competition for the most important position on the field isn’t open.
Coaches are human just like us all. Why does anyone make decisions that adversely affect them? It happens all the time.
 
Coaches are human just like us all. Why does anyone make decisions that adversely affect them? It happens all the time.
My friend, it’s one thing to make a mistake by simply choosing the wrong QB for the job. It happens. It’s quite another thing to limit one’s self by NOT opening competition up to increase chances to choose the right guy. One is an accident. One is stoopid.
 
Jakolby was by far the better passer. He was more accurate at every level. Just didn't know the playbook. He was picking it up, but it looked pretty slow. Probably only know about 20 plays, but boy was he really good at about 10 of those 20.
Is there anyone currently on the roster who could be a better option than Hardison? I had heard good things about Longino as well, and it was unfortunate he chose to transfer. It seems like Brownholtz is the clear #2, who I don't have confidence as a long term replacement, if needed.
 
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Is that like $50? If so, a couple Nike miners football tshirts will do the trick.

Just to clarify. If Hardison doesn't hit all the below numbers I win, correct?

3,000+ passing yards
Less than 12 int's
20+ passing tds
Minimum 58% completion percentage
Correct, the jersey is like $80-90 I believe
So it's a Bet 🤝
So I'm confident because based on what you agreed... Hardison just needs 200 yards less than he had last year, 2 more td's, 2 less int's and 3% better completion percentage. I'll take it, I think we'll see improvement. Though the loss of Cowing does concern me a bit, I won't lie.
 
My friend, it’s one thing to make a mistake by simply choosing the wrong QB for the job. It happens. It’s quite another thing to limit one’s self by NOT opening competition up to increase chances to choose the right guy. One is an accident. One is stoopid.
You'd be surprised how many coaches make that same stupid choice. It happens at every level all over this country.
 
Is there anyone currently on the roster who could be a better option than Hardison? I had heard good things about Longino as well, and it was unfortunate he chose to transfer. It seems like Brownholtz is the clear #2, who I don't have confidence as a long term replacement, if needed.
I haven't seen anyone so far. That should have a legitimate shot to compete with Hardison. Maybe fall camp will show a little something about the new quarterbacks that were brought in. I am optimistic about McNamara, but it definitely won't be this year.
 
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Correct, the jersey is like $80-90 I believe
So it's a Bet 🤝
So I'm confident because based on what you agreed... Hardison just needs 200 yards less than he had last year, 2 more td's, 2 less int's and 3% better completion percentage. I'll take it, I think we'll see improvement. Though the loss of Cowing does concern me a bit, I won't lie.
While it seems pretty simple to make those minor improvements, I don't think you quite understand just how important cowing was to the offense. There is no one currently on this team that will scare teams. That means much tighter windows underneath which he already has a problem hitting as is.
 
While it seems pretty simple to make those minor improvements, I don't think you quite understand just how important cowing was to the offense. There is no one currently on this team that will scare teams. That means much tighter windows underneath which he already has a problem hitting as is.
Yeah, this is my worry also.
 
You'd be surprised how many coaches make that same stupid choice. It happens at every level all over this country.
I guess I would be surprised. I’ve been around a few programs and have yet to see such a limiting choice made by a head coach, not having an open competition for QB. But I guess stranger things occur.

Or maybe it was open and GH was/is hands down the best option. I agree with most of what you’ve said, but I just have a hard time believing it hasn’t been an open competition, but its not like I could ask you to back that assertion up or anything.

Moving on though…
 
Must have missed Josh Freeman and Michael Bishop play. Freeman was 2-0 vs the Shorthorns.
Didn’t say every KSU QB fit that mold. And it doesn’t really matter. What can GH or a Miner backup do within this system? That’s what matters.
 
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I guess I would be surprised. I’ve been around a few programs and have yet to see such a limiting choice made by a head coach, not having an open competition for QB. But I guess stranger things occur.

Or maybe it was open and GH was/is hands down the best option. I agree with most of what you’ve said, but I just have a hard time believing it hasn’t been an open competition, but its not like I could ask you to back that assertion up or anything.

Moving on though…
If you get a chance, stop by the fall practices and watch it for yourself. After a few practices, it'll be pretty obvious that it's not an open competition.
 
Hardison had some issues, but he's not a bum. If so he wouldn't be on the all conference watch list. He definitely made too many mistakes last year, but he had some cherry deep balls too. I'll wager that he earns some respect this year and that your harsh take calling him a bum doesn't age well.
Did he have Cherry deep balls or was it the fact that he had Cowing grabbing everything thrown his way?
 
While it seems pretty simple to make those minor improvements, I don't think you quite understand just how important cowing was to the offense. There is no one currently on this team that will scare teams. That means much tighter windows underneath which he already has a problem hitting as is.
If he gets injured the bets off obviously
 
As stated in this thread, that's not how bets work. If he gets hurt the bet still counts. You have the option to back out today, but after today we're locked in on the bet.
Lmao, "locked in." Like you're a bookie who's going to break his legs or something...

Anyway, the spirit of the bet is on Hardison's abilities... not a team outcome like the point spread or the over under on a score. An injury stipulation seems fair here.

Sure, the sportsbooks wouldn't allow it, but you guys aren't sportsbooks. You're just two dudes on a message board. 😂
 
As stated in this thread, that's not how bets work. If he gets hurt the bet still counts. You have the option to back out today, but after today we're locked in on the bet.
That's stupid lol if he gets hurt the second game or something how could the bet still be on. No then that's ridiculous Bye Felicia 🤣
 
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Lmao, "locked in." Like you're a bookie who's going to break his legs or something...

Anyway, the spirit of the bet is on Hardison's abilities... not a team outcome like the point spread or the over under on a score. An injury stipulation seems fair here.

Sure, the sportsbooks wouldn't allow it, but you guys aren't sportsbooks. You're just two dudes on a message board. 😂
That was dark
 
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Lmao, "locked in." Like you're a bookie who's going to break his legs or something...

Anyway, the spirit of the bet is on Hardison's abilities... not a team outcome like the point spread or the over under on a score. An injury stipulation seems fair here.

Sure, the sportsbooks wouldn't allow it, but you guys aren't sportsbooks. You're just two dudes on a message board. 😂
Agree. Also this is more along the lines of a prop bet. Sportsbooks will cancel a bet if a player involved in a prop bet is inactive due to injury.

Obviously if Hardison goes down, in game 7 or 8, he wont be even close to said stats.

Natty, define the bet as something along the lines of, “Barring injury or provided GH plays in at least 10 games such and such stats will be accomplished. It will be up to Taco to accept it or not.
 
Agree. Also this is more along the lines of a prop bet. Sportsbooks will cancel a bet if a player involved in that prop bet is inactive due to injury.

Obviously if Hardison goes down, in game 7 or 8, he wont be even close to said stats.

Natty, define the bet as something along the lines of, “Barring injury or provided GH plays in at least 10 games such and such stats will be accomplished. It will be up to Taco to accept it or not.
Tacos said, No. So basically implying even if he got injured in August and doesn't play a down the bet would still be on lol 🤣 That's craziness, I'm not down if that stipulation isn't in place. Obviously this kind of bet is based on him playing the full season.
 
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That's stupid lol if he gets hurt the second game or something how could the bet still be on. No then that's ridiculous Bye Felicia 🤣

It's not stupid. You just have no clue how betting works.

I assume you have never placed a bet before? If I bet for the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl and Mahomes gets injured in Week 1, I can't get my money back.
 
Agree. Also this is more along the lines of a prop bet. Sportsbooks will cancel a bet if a player involved in a prop bet is inactive due to injury.

Obviously if Hardison goes down, in game 7 or 8, he wont be even close to said stats.

Natty, define the bet as something along the lines of, “Barring injury or provided GH plays in at least 10 games such and such stats will be accomplished. It will be up to Taco to accept it or not.
I didn't get my money back when OBJ got hurt in the super bowl. Maybe you can talk to the Aria casino for me?
 
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I didn't get my money back when OBJ got hurt in the super bowl. Maybe you can talk to the Aria casino for me?
Dude, like HFK said, this ain’t Vegas and you ain’t a bookie.

This is a “friendly” bet on a forum. These kinds of bets are made with provisions all the time. You are at liberty to take a bet or not with said contingencies.

You must be nervous that provided Hardison play a full season, he’ll meet the stats Natty proposed.

I’m sure when you proposed the original bet, or accepted it, you weren’t banking on winning it due to a GH injury. You either think he’ll reach the stats or you don’t. Of course natty meant if Hardison was healthy.
 
Dude, like HFK said, this ain’t Vegas and you ain’t a bookie.

This is a “friendly” bet on a forum. These kinds of bets are made with provisions all the time. You are at liberty to take a bet or not with said contingencies.

You must be nervous that provided Hardison play a full season, he’ll meet the stats Natty proposed.

I’m sure when you proposed the original bet, or accepted it, you weren’t banking on winning it due to a GH injury. You either think he’ll reach the stats or you don’t. Of course natty meant if Hardison was healthy.

It's not a "friendly" bet if money is involved.

Bets are not made all the time with provisions. When I bet, I make it simple. You either win or you lose. Not "if this" and "if that".

Who's nervous? @Taco1977 wants to bet, but @nattybry keeps adding provisions. That's not how betting works.

It's like saying I bet you $100 that I can finish the marathon. And then coming back and saying "well I got injured halfway through, so I couldn't finish the marathon. The bet is cancelled".
 
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It's not a "friendly" bet if money is involved.

Bets are not made all the time with provisions. When I bet, I make it simple. You either win or you lose. Not "if this" and "if that".

Who's nervous? @Taco1977 wants to bet, but @nattybry keeps adding provisions. That's not how betting works.

It's like saying I bet you $100 that I can finish the marathon. And then coming back and saying "well I got injured halfway through, so I couldn't finish the marathon. The bet is cancelled".

It's not a "friendly" bet if money is involved.

That’s why I put friendly in quotes. Again, this isn’t professional betting. It’s on a community forum.

Bets are not made all the time with provisions. When I bet, I make it simple. You either win or you lose. Not "if this" and "if that".

Anything and everything is bet on. You can bet on anything. A bet is not always so simple and any amount of terms can be included. When I say “provisions” all I’m saying is defining the bet. As long as it’s done before the competition starts and both parties agree to it, it’s bet on. Maybe you keep it simple as you stated, but these kinds of bets happen all the time.

Who's nervous? @Taco1977 wants to bet, but @nattybry keeps adding provisions. That's not how betting works.

You won’t do it, but tell all of us how natty keeps adding provisions. Please tell us, because the ONLY one he’s added, and it’s well in advance of when said bet takes place, is the injury provision. But yet he “keeps” adding? Hmm.

It's like saying I bet you $100 that I can finish the marathon. And then coming back and saying "well I got injured halfway through, so I couldn't finish the marathon. The bet is cancelled".

Umm, it’s nothing like that. In your scenario, what’s being bet upon has already started. Bad example.

Its all good. Ain’t nobody gonna change anybody’s perspective around here and we could go around all day long, I’m sure.
 
It's not stupid. You just have no clue how betting works.

I assume you have never placed a bet before? If I bet for the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl and Mahomes gets injured in Week 1, I can't get my money back.
First of all Denver STFU! You weren't part of the bet, you're just a troll instigator! Second I bet literally every day, however this is a personal prop bet that does have contingencies in place. 3rd this isn't the sports book. Keep out of it, Tacos and I already said no bet anyways. If a player gets hurt before the season or during the season obviously that prop bet couldn't meet the criteria.
 
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Again, this isn’t professional betting. Maybe you keep it simple as you stated, but these kinds of bets happen all the time. Umm, it’s nothing like that. In your scenario, what’s being bet upon has already started. Bad example.


Betting is betting. Rules are rules. You clearly have no clue how betting works.

No, those bets don't "happen all the time".

It was a perfect example. @nattybry said "That's stupid lol if he gets hurt the second game or something how could the bet still be on." The season would have started and @nattybry wants to renig on the bet.
 
Betting is betting. Rules are rules. You clearly have no clue how betting works.

No, those bets don't "happen all the time".

It was a perfect example. @nattybry said "That's stupid lol if he gets hurt the second game or something how could the bet still be on." The season would have started and @nattybry wants to renig on the bet.
This again is not a bet with Vegas and it's cancelled before the games start which is definitely allowed. It was a friendly player prop bet, that I simply made one injury clause not various provisions as you as a troll blatantly lied about. It appears that Tacos actually thinks Hardison isn't a Bum and would meet those numbers if he's not injured, so the point was I guess proven, so moving on good day to you!
 
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