"Their hopes of any NIT berth are slim, and Tim Floyd stated after the game that he has turned down invitations to the CBI, CIT and the new tournament in Las Vegas."
No CBI or CIT or Vegas
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Another decision which will alienate fans further. I can't imagine players not wanting to play another game nor can a tolerate a program which doesn't make an effort to reward support. Effort on the court is not exclusive to just players it should be extended to fans who show up to every game. I don't go to games only expecting a win, but I do go expecting my support will be honored with effort and never give up attitude which means playing every chance you get.
Weren't most of you saying a couple weeks ago that Utep should not accept a bid anywhere because they were not worthy!! Now everyone is mad because Floyd did just that?
No. I was an overwhelming minority in the thought that UTEP shouldn't accept an invite to the CBI, CIT or Las Vegas 16. Most people thought we should accept the invite.
O ok my fault then I remembered incorrectly -- I thought there were quite a few that argued against playing in the postseason
What ate u talking about? Spewing some nonsense! Floyd said the declined the invites!
There were a few, but they aren't the ones saying we should play in the post season.
It's not a matter of not qualifying, sir. Anyone that's invited to a post season tournament is qualified. You could be 0-31. Floyd said they turned down opportunities to play in any of the post season tournaments. To me that means they were invited and thus must have qualified.
I agree with declining the cbi/cit/whatever....
These are tournaments you pay to play in. They aren't "rewards", they're just a money making business. We don't need to waste money playing against teams we've never heard of, for a potential banner nobody cares about. Just my 2 cents...
These are tournaments you pay to play in. They aren't "rewards", they're just a money making business. We don't need to waste money playing against teams we've never heard of, for a potential banner nobody cares about. Just my 2 cents...
"These are tournaments you pay to play in. They aren't "rewards", they're just a money making business. We don't need to waste money playing against teams we've never heard of, for a potential banner nobody cares about. Just my 2 cents..."
Sounds a lot like most of our preseason schedule and the conference we play in.
Sounds a lot like most of our preseason schedule and the conference we play in.
I have loved Morris since day 1. I will miss that silky smooth release he has, and his ability to score in myriad of ways. Always thought his defense was pretty damn good as well. But I can appreciate that Floyd has set his standards a little higher. It is a shame that Morris' collegiate career has come to a halt, but extending the season for him to get another crack just doesn't make much sense imo.
@Voice of the Mosquito '-- preseason tournaments do have meaning. They allow you to play more games and get comfortable as a team, whilst ( hopefully) improving your rpi and NCAA tournament resume.
CBI type tournaments do nothing like that
CBI type tournaments do nothing like that
That is the PROBLEM when you have a very arrogant person as your Head Coach.... It is time for him to go, PERIOD!
Sarcasm----please reread my post.....when you open the season with the Camerons, East Central Oklahoma's and Loyola New Orleans of the basketball world and end it with UTSA's and FIU's, I don't think this is going to improve your NCAA resume or prepare your team for anything other the CBI, CIT or Vegas.
He didn't have a problem playing in the 2014 CBI. Maybe he just doesn't want to lose at home again in front of 4,000 people.
Or maybe he just set his sights, standards and expectations a little higher.
I'm all for saying that's it's NIT the NCAA or stay home. He should be consistent. When he first took the job I remember him stating that standard. Then in 2014 he went back on his word and accepted the CBI. Two years later he's saying no to anything other than NIT or NCAA. What's the message he's trying to send?
In all honesty the 2014 CBI home game was an awful idea. I could say I was fed up with home games at that point. I had just attended four days of watching teams I could care less about during the CUSA tournament. Then you're going to turn right back around and have us host a CBI tournament.
Whatever I would have attended the Las Vegas 16. I already had my eyes on a room at the Mandalay Bay. I had images of me rolling out of bed after a long night of gambling/partying and waking to the arena downstairs in my basketball shorts and UTEP shirt. Enjoy some games watch the other teams. Hopefully they would have made the championship game on Wednesday.
In all honesty the 2014 CBI home game was an awful idea. I could say I was fed up with home games at that point. I had just attended four days of watching teams I could care less about during the CUSA tournament. Then you're going to turn right back around and have us host a CBI tournament.
Whatever I would have attended the Las Vegas 16. I already had my eyes on a room at the Mandalay Bay. I had images of me rolling out of bed after a long night of gambling/partying and waking to the arena downstairs in my basketball shorts and UTEP shirt. Enjoy some games watch the other teams. Hopefully they would have made the championship game on Wednesday.
The picture you painted almost makes it desirable. However, not sure why people think Floyd owes a CBI, CIT or Vegas tourney to the fans. Nor am I sure why he should be expected to follow some formulaic plan, and be consistent. This coming from someone who is far from a CTF lover.
We are lowering our standards for him. He's the one that came to El Paso with promises of becoming a national powerhouse and making runs in the NCAA tournament. He hasn't come close to that. He can't win one of the worst conferences in the country.
He does owe the city what he promised us. We spend a lot of money and time supporting him. Think how much a family of four that goes to every game, pays for parking every time and buys snacks and beers have spent the last six years. What has he delivered in exchange nothing but embarrassments and excuses.
We want to see progress and know we are heading in the right direction. Results on the court alI I see is more of the same. I see the seats around me getting emptier and emptier. We have lost over 1,000 fans per game. Multiply that times the 14-15 home games and that's 15,000 tickets that went unsold this year as compared to two or three years ago. It might get better but it's most likely going to get worse.
If he can't win this really bad league or even a game in lower tier post season game then how much faith can we put into him?
He does owe the city what he promised us. We spend a lot of money and time supporting him. Think how much a family of four that goes to every game, pays for parking every time and buys snacks and beers have spent the last six years. What has he delivered in exchange nothing but embarrassments and excuses.
We want to see progress and know we are heading in the right direction. Results on the court alI I see is more of the same. I see the seats around me getting emptier and emptier. We have lost over 1,000 fans per game. Multiply that times the 14-15 home games and that's 15,000 tickets that went unsold this year as compared to two or three years ago. It might get better but it's most likely going to get worse.
If he can't win this really bad league or even a game in lower tier post season game then how much faith can we put into him?
I can't disagree with anything you said there. All I am saying is that he doesn't owe any fans a CBI, CIT, or Vegas 16 tourney. It's really not about us. Perhaps he had an agreement with his players from day 1, NCAA, NIT or bust. I can respect something like that.
With all that you just said, why would you want them in a sub par tourney that they most likely wouldn't do any damage in anyway?
It is always your choice as to whether or not you continue to go to games. Again, I am no CTF apologist here. If anything, the solution in my opinion is not to play more shit tourney games, but to make the necessary changes to get to upper tier post season play. But that's just me.
Well that doesn't seem like a fair agreement knowing what we had lost and how many fresh faces we had coming in. If that was the case then so be it.
Elimination win or go home games is something you can't teach in practice. You have to play in them and garner experience. With so many freshman in the bench and almost the entire team returning why turn down those valuable learning games. These games could help the team come next seasons CUSA tournament.
It is my choice to attend or not the games. Just as it is where I eat or where I shop. If a manager at my favorite restaurant is not getting the job done and I'm receiving poor service and taste less food I'm not going to stop going to my favorite restaurant. Instead I will talk to the owner and eventually if enough people complain and the owner notices lower sales he will be forced to make a change. Same with Floyd I'm not going to stop attending games cuz of him. We are the customer after all.
I just want to see them win a championship anything at this point. We couldn't even win the Don Haskins Invitational. I'm frustrated and want to see the Miners succeed.
Elimination win or go home games is something you can't teach in practice. You have to play in them and garner experience. With so many freshman in the bench and almost the entire team returning why turn down those valuable learning games. These games could help the team come next seasons CUSA tournament.
It is my choice to attend or not the games. Just as it is where I eat or where I shop. If a manager at my favorite restaurant is not getting the job done and I'm receiving poor service and taste less food I'm not going to stop going to my favorite restaurant. Instead I will talk to the owner and eventually if enough people complain and the owner notices lower sales he will be forced to make a change. Same with Floyd I'm not going to stop attending games cuz of him. We are the customer after all.
I just want to see them win a championship anything at this point. We couldn't even win the Don Haskins Invitational. I'm frustrated and want to see the Miners succeed.
We don't have to see things the same way. Bottom line, we both want the same thing ultimately.
Here are my thoughts. I am on the fence on this. I love UTEP basketball and it crushes me to know that I now have to wait until November for their next game (thank God time goes by so fast). I will always support the team win or lose.
However, I disagree with the notion that having the team play in these post season tournaments helps them gain experience for the next season. If that were true please explain how losing to New Mexico in the NIT, losing to Fresno St at home (can't remember if it was CBI), and losing last year to Murray St in the NIT helped them in following seasons?
The only time that held true was when they played in the CBI under Barbee and it propelled them to the NCAA tournament. Barbee had the philosophy that if they accepted that bid "might as well go and win it."
Again just my thoughts. Go Miners!!
However, I disagree with the notion that having the team play in these post season tournaments helps them gain experience for the next season. If that were true please explain how losing to New Mexico in the NIT, losing to Fresno St at home (can't remember if it was CBI), and losing last year to Murray St in the NIT helped them in following seasons?
The only time that held true was when they played in the CBI under Barbee and it propelled them to the NCAA tournament. Barbee had the philosophy that if they accepted that bid "might as well go and win it."
Again just my thoughts. Go Miners!!
Eloquently stated. I agree with you to the Nth degree on this one. It has become quite a cliche to claim that a couple extra post season games are going to somehow help season a team for the following season. The evidence just doesn't support that hypotheses.
-I would like to know the reason. If he thought that an 18-14 team with a 200+ RPI doesn't really deserve to play in the postseason, I can agree with that. If it's the "our program is too good for these tournaments," our program really isn't too good for anything at this point.
As for whether these tournaments help, it depends. Our 2009 CBI experience probably helped the 2010 because that was a team full of freshmen and sophomore. The 2011 and 2015 NIT teams? Not so much much because they were both senior laden teams. That really can't carry over. If we would have made a run in the 2014 CBI, it may have helped if we had made a run, but we didn't.
As for whether these tournaments help, it depends. Our 2009 CBI experience probably helped the 2010 because that was a team full of freshmen and sophomore. The 2011 and 2015 NIT teams? Not so much much because they were both senior laden teams. That really can't carry over. If we would have made a run in the 2014 CBI, it may have helped if we had made a run, but we didn't.
I agree that we should not be in a post season tournament. We didn't make it out of the quarters in a bad conference tournament. We don't deserve a bid to anything nor should we buy our way into a tournament just to get eliminated and disappointed. UTA is in the CIT and they ran us out of the gym. Many posters at the time were comparing them to FGCU. Turns our we were just playing bad basketball. We don't deserve it.
Hmm... I completely misread your original post....I think...
This is what happens when I switch to vodka for a weekend....
Not defending Floyd, bc I'm very close to giving up on him - but just responding to showing up to games is all about supporting the coach- that's part of it, but for me, supporting the players and the school is part of attending games, too - for me personally, support of the coach would probably come in 3rd...
