after the LSU game according to several news reports. Although A&M’s record is 7-4, it’s not good enough at A&M. The tale of two teams. If he had that record at UTEP he would be regarded as a great coach and receive an extension. Some schools don’t accept mediocrity and are not afraid to hold coaches accountable.
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I agree, but at the same time A&M generates millions of dollars in revenue a year. They have the ability to hire and fire high priced coaches at will. I’m not defending UTEP’s practice of keeping coaches long past their expiration date (FLOYD) but I do hope this new AD, whoever it is can raise the money and generated the fan support so that we are able to fire a coach who isn’t succeeding as opposed to hanging on to them for longer than we need to.
Well, if FAU can get Kiffin and UTSA got Corker followed by one of the hottest recruiters in College Football. Why not shoot for the stars?
Coker coached UTSA for 400K to start and ended at 500K if I'm not mistaken. We can afford that range.
Then I stand corrected, but don't think Sumlin will coach for that money.
Sure it’s worth a try to land Sumlin, but he is going to get offered much better jobs than the UTEP job. He has a winning record at an SEC school, no way he is coming here. Only way we have a chance is if he has some sort of baggage, which he doesn’t.
Our best bet is to hire a young coordinator from a winning program. There are good coordinators out there who are looking to be head coaches and will work for about $500k.
Yes Utep can! Stull and Natalicio chose not too. Utep and Boosters could pay 1 million to the right coach as they know it will be worth it if 40,000 plus fans show up like Price's early years and for Basketball if we're back in the NCAA this University could make plenty! Whichita St. Pays their men's coach 2 million and we have a much larger athletic budget. Don't feed into the world is me we're Utep were broke BS they wanna feed you.
So UTEP is lying with their accounting? Where is this million going to come from?
No way in hell we land Sumlin. No way. But that's not to say we can't come up with some $ and nab someone good. It just won't be Sumlin.
I like this idea. Send us Briles, Harrell or Eric Morris.
He's right. Lots of schools with much smaller budgets pay a lot more. I don't know UTEP's accounting, but there's money that can be moved around.
Maybe because they have bigger endowments? I don't know, I hear that UTEP can pay more but they choose not to? Like I said, I just want to know where this money is going to come from.
You might not have noticed but this job is a career killer. Good young coordinators have molded their career paths so that they can succeed at a higher level. Taking this job leads to an end to that upward climb. Every coach we have hired other than Bob Stull has been fired here and none have moved on to a better job.
Nobody with half a brain would accept the HC position at UTEP without a TON of written stipulations. A competitive, incentive-laden starting salary would be a prerequisite to START the conversation. Beyond that, a deal maker/breaker would include access to a war chest to entice a talented, hungry staff to take a chance on positions at UTEP that most assistant coaches wouldn't touch with a ten, no, twelve foot pole. Nobody's stupid enough to walk a tight rope without a net.
Get ready, UTEP, it's pay to play time. You've gone the blue light special route since forever, and now you own the worst football program in the FBS. Time to decide if you really want competitive college football in El Paso.
Agreed and we've earned that, but it's the only way out of this mess. Like the saying goes "lo barato sale caro". Being cheap ends up being expensive.
I think the same way in regards to this job, however, It was reported that young Briles would pursue the job aggressively. Not sure how accurate the report is, but it was by a reputable source at any rate. Perhaps he sees it as if he can turn UTEP into a half decent team, the P5 coaching offers will swarm in. Risky business, for sure. But I hope it's true and he's up for the task.
True that this job will be seen by most as a dead end. That's one reason I would like to see Keeler of SHSU get the job. He may want it because a five year contract will net him a lot more security at UTEP than at SHSU due to much higher pay. Plus he is in his late 50's and this might be his best or last shot at the FBS. He is a proven winner and recruiter so he is the one I'd like UTEP to go get. But just about anyone is going to be better than Kugler turned out to be.
As time goes on, UTEP has more and more competition for the head coaching job. South Alabama and Georgia Southern are both looking and I would think the Rice job will open soon.
Here are the current HC openings with Arkansas and Texas A&M expected to also be open soon.
Ole Miss - Hugh Freeze (July 21)
UTEP - Sean Kugler (Oct 1)
Oregon St - Gary Anderson (Oct 9)
Georgia Southern - Tyson Summers (Oct 22)
Florida - Jim McElwain (Oct 29)
Tennessee - Butch Jones (Nov 12)
UCLA - Jim Mora (Nov 19)
South Alabama - Joey Jones (Nov 20)
Excellent post. Of those 11 current and prospective openings, 8 are in the SEC or PAC 10. Likely none of those P5 programs will look at either a fast-track, up-and-coming coordinator (e.g. Kendal Briles) or an almost 60 year old FCS HC (Keeler) as prime HC candidates, so UTEP's immediate competition would likely be Georgia Southern and South Alabama. Either of those schools would potentially be attractive HC landing spots, viewed positively by coaching candidates. Both programs are in football-hungry states stocked with boatloads of high school talent and springboards for successful candidates. Realistically, UTEP has all of those issues to overcome. Now, UTEP and El Paso have LOTS of potential, unmined (pun intended) positives, but El Paso is historically neither a football hotbed, a HS talent spigot, and anything but a springboard job. Willie Fritz migrated from a highly successful SHSU program to success at Georgia Southern before progressing to Tulane. GSU was apparently about as successful replacing Fritz as UTEP was at replacing Price.
In short, the next UTEP AD should aggressively and quickly pursue both Briles and Keeler (for different reasons and in that order).
We should have nothing to do with Briles. What happened at Baylor was horrendous and to think he wasn't a part of that is extremely naive. We need to have some standards. I would rather go 0-12 than have Briles as a coach.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Mine is that your's is neither fair nor based in fact. Are you aware that Baylor has never even released the detailed version of the investigation? Father has been voted off the football island, punishing his son with unverified allegations is just wrong.
I would never consider hiring Art as coach, however we obviously differ when it it comes to KB. Let's not pretend we are in the know about what young Briles was aware of during that horrible stretch of time at Baylor. You can assume all you want, and to each their own, but it's all assumption. I'm ok at least exploring the possibility of him coaching here.
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While I see your point, the new AD at UTEP should have a strategic plan for the hiring of our next football coach. I hope the AD meets with alumni, UTEP fans and administrators and seeks input to get a picture of what UTEP’s done in the past, so the same mistakes are not made. UTEP is the only game in town and the new AD has to get support from the donors, alumni and the citizens of El Paso. The new AD needs to be aggressive and come up with a plan to pay the new football coach and his assistants competitive salaries and be prepared to offer a five year contract. The new AD also has to have a plan to remodel the sun bowl and invest in UTEP’s facilities. The plan should also include new promotions and make going to the games a great experience for the fans. Copy what the Chihuahuas are doing. All Miner fans are tired of the same UTEP approach of going cheap after unproven coaches or retreads. Enough of the same self defeatist attitude and settling for mediocrity.
With Jim Senter hired as new AD, possible name for head ball coach is Mike Houston.
Houston is at James Madison and currently has a record of 24-1 with JMU.
Houston is at James Madison and currently has a record of 24-1 with JMU.
I tend to go with a rational belief of what went on there.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports...x-get-recruits-baylor/IVr42TSpgEtmp7O1HPJj6H/
There are many other stories like this one.
So he asked recruits if they like white woman? I'm not sure what the proven allegations are beyond that, but he won't be able to use that line here at UTEP. I doubt that he ever told players to rape women. Now if he helped cover it up that is another story but I think he's worth a look. Mike Houston looks like a good coach but has ZERO connection to recruiting Texas or even the west coast. Briles is one year removed..
You are obviously entitled to your opinions but seem to have different standards than I do. There are people all over the country these days losing their jobs for doing 1/10 what Kendall Briles did. He was an integral part of a culture that allowed rapes on a college campus to take place. There is no doubt in my mind he knew what was going on whether he has been convicted or not. There will be plenty of mothers who will not allow their sons to play for Kendall Briles.
Winning is not that important to me. I will never give another dime to the university if he is hired.
You assuming that I have different standards than you speaks a lot about yourself as well. I'm gonna say that you have equally high standards though and not be rude. I have a wife and a daughter. I don't condone rape. That being said, I don't assume that he did anything because I don't know and neither do you. If I knew he allowed rape to happen then I 100 percent wouldn't want him either. Of course we can speculate, but thats walking a fine line.
'Briles allegedly told a Dallas-area high school athlete “Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players.”'
Unsubstantiated allegations from unnamed sources? Are you shitting me, so it's come to that? No problem electing a president who publicly brags about grabbing pussies, but will ruin careers based on this kind of unproven garbage? Sir, have you no decency?
Tell you what '66, you produce one - ONE - piece of substantiated evidence to support your allegations and I'll be the first to dog pile on KB. Until then, how about not publicly bragging about the elevated level of your "standards".
P.S. People do not lose their jobs over unsubstantiated rumors from unnamed sources.
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When the chancellor (baylor) has to step down because of the culture developed in athletics, you know there is a "dumpster fire" burning out of control. Baylor football at the time created a culture of "hide and (let them try) to seek" accountability or should I say non-accountability.
These are people that should be hired at any mid major with a very short leash.
The issue is not whether there were extremely serious violations - possibly legal violations - at Baylor while Art Briles was head football coach. There were. And more than a few people have justifiably reaped the life-changing consequences as a result. The issue is culpability and accountability. There is such a thing as due process in this country. Anybody proven to have been involved with or who had knowledge of those violations at Baylor should be held fully accountable. But the key word is proven...
What is beyond interesting is Baylor's absolute refusal to release the complete report with the details of the investigation conducted by the law firm that Baylor itself hired to conduct the internal investigation. Even more interesting is the fact that no - ZERO - legal charges have been filed against anyone in the matter. Numerous civil suits have been filed but no criminal charges. In fact, Art Briles has a suit currently filed against Baylor that, if successful, his grandchildren will never have to work.
And finally, I submit that ANYBODY hired these days to coach collegiate athletes at ANY level should be on a "very short leash" when it comes to violating civil or legal rights.
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