The Miners win this year's bowl game....Dimel would have accomplished what Stull, Nord, Price, Kugler failed to do...win a bowl game for the first time in my lifetime....does that put Dimel ahead of all these coaches????
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Very fair/fun argument and question.
Assuming Price is yours and everyone’s number #1 he accomplished a lot for UTEP standards, back to back bowls, nation rankings, above average recruiting, culture change, facilities etc….which some of that Stull also had a hand in as well as his own success as a coach.
To match that, Dimel would have to at least get UTEP to another bowl next year too and I think he could pass up Price given attendance goes up and recruiting picks up and the city gets behind things again then I would put him up there after another bowl berth next year.
Looking forward to hearing others opinions on this….good topic.
Assuming Price is yours and everyone’s number #1 he accomplished a lot for UTEP standards, back to back bowls, nation rankings, above average recruiting, culture change, facilities etc….which some of that Stull also had a hand in as well as his own success as a coach.
To match that, Dimel would have to at least get UTEP to another bowl next year too and I think he could pass up Price given attendance goes up and recruiting picks up and the city gets behind things again then I would put him up there after another bowl berth next year.
Looking forward to hearing others opinions on this….good topic.
Competition alone. I'll give Dimel a little credit for doing what he's done so far, but I think he also holds back the program as well. Just my perspective
Yeah, but maybe he knows something that we don't.....if he and our Miners win the bowl game, I'll cry tears of joy...and I'll name him the greatest coach since Joe Montana....
Bro. What are you drinking?
Going from year 3 and 4 we've played four teams with winning records.
2020
@#14 Texas 7-3
@UTSA 7-5
2021
@Boise St 7-4
#15 UTSA 11-0
Once he starts winning those games then we can talk...
If Dismel wins whichever shit bowl game we play in next month I promise I will never again refer to him as "Dismel." If we win next month's bowl game it is very likely that Senter will sign him to a lifetime guaranteed contract with raises and bonuses that Dismel will be paid no matter what. Dismel can go 0-fer for the rest of his life as UTEP head coach and I will honor my promise to never again refer to him as "Dismel."
But for now, Dismel.
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I have no problems with Dimel's well deserved criticism but what are we playing for at our level? We will never play for a national championship. A bowl win is what we play for IMO. We can talk about competition but we can only play the teams on the schedule. There is tons of room for improvement but a bowl win is our ceiling and what we are playing for regardless of competition
Conference championship first, then a bowl win.
Yes, because Dimel did it all with his own players. He didn't benefit from Nord's five-year plan when he stepped in. This is his team.
That would be another historic accomplishment no one has ever done. I don't count the WAC 2000 co-title. TCU wiped the floor with us.
That's fair but winning a bowl game checks a box of 1 of the 2 most important criteria which would put him in the conversation for one of the top coaches in our bad history
Me neither. You don’t share a championship. But it’s all UTEP football can hype about in their anemic history, so they do acknowledge it.
My rankings
1. Gary Nord won the only conference championship in the last 50 years. Built the team that Price had two winning seasons with. Price never won without Nord's players.
2. Bob Stull: Won ten games. Had two consecutive winning seasons.
3. (Tie) Kugler: burnt the program to the ground. Got rid of 47 scholarship players. Had a winning season with his own players.
3. (Tie) Dimel: can move past Kugler with one more win. A bowl win moves him to number 2 behind Nord.
With a bowl win Dimel can jump to number 2 behind Nord.
1. Gary Nord won the only conference championship in the last 50 years. Built the team that Price had two winning seasons with. Price never won without Nord's players.
2. Bob Stull: Won ten games. Had two consecutive winning seasons.
3. (Tie) Kugler: burnt the program to the ground. Got rid of 47 scholarship players. Had a winning season with his own players.
3. (Tie) Dimel: can move past Kugler with one more win. A bowl win moves him to number 2 behind Nord.
With a bowl win Dimel can jump to number 2 behind Nord.
If he can win more bowls than Bobby Dobbs (yes, not modern era but the last time we won bowl games was with him) then I’ll have him as #1
I would say especially if it’s for the 9th win of the season
Mike Price has the record for bowl games played in by a coach at three. Our last bowl win was the 1967 Sun Bowl game where we beat Ole Miss 14-13. If Dimel can get to multiple bowl games and win at least one of them, he moves to the top of the list. But that shows how poor UTEP football has been for most of its' history. This year the Miners have a mediocre team in a below average conference. We've won seven games so far against poor opponents. But you play the hand you're dealt. If Dimel can continue his slow trend up, he'll have a really good team by the time he retires. So be it. Go Miners.
If Dimel wins the NM Bowl, that doesn’t make him the best ever. It gets rid of an ugly “record” that people can’t bring up. Beating a 6-6 team is better than losing to one, but come on, that doesn’t make you Nick Saban.
As far as the best ever, you have to say it’s Price. Nord won 6 games in 3 years. Kugler was just pathetic and would have been way worse without Aaron Jones.
Dimel, at least you can (probably) say he left it better than he found it. Kugler definitely didn’t. Did Price? Not sure. Did Nord? Maybe.
As far as the best ever, you have to say it’s Price. Nord won 6 games in 3 years. Kugler was just pathetic and would have been way worse without Aaron Jones.
Dimel, at least you can (probably) say he left it better than he found it. Kugler definitely didn’t. Did Price? Not sure. Did Nord? Maybe.
It’s really sad, that we could consider Dismel one of our best coaches. I thinks this reflects on poor AD’S and University Presidents who didn’t have the foresight that sports are the face of your university.
I don’t believe they are the most important part, but you don’t hear that your engineering dept is winning national championships.
I don’t believe they are the most important part, but you don’t hear that your engineering dept is winning national championships.
I agree, but I look at this glass half full. The last four coaches have all had winning seasons and bowl appearances. That shows you can win here. This isn't a hopeless job. If the university will make a commitment to football which they've never done, we could have a successful program.
I'm going to go in the opposite direction - can we all agree that the worst UTEP FB coach of all time is Tommy Hudspeth? Remember? The HC who said the team would never embarrass us - right before we lost 83-6 to Utah?
Prove me wrong. lol
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Prove me wrong. lol
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Price did transfer out a bunch of Nord players. Price didn’t mince his words at the time by saying Nord brought in excellent top talent but there were many who were not D1A (called 1A at the time) material. But yes, Price best we’re with Nords top recruits.
Kugler is family but this was a Stull failure hire as he had to admit to the press and fans that Kugler did not realize what was needed to coach a program at this level, even at UTEP. Kug belongs in the NFL, just like former coach David Lee who had a nice NFL assistants NFL career.
Bowl game is a different cat. I don’t see the offense as hungry as the defense to win some hardware. The UTEP D is playing like an organic unit: As one. I see Cowing and Hardison hungry, but I don’t see the consistency on offense for UTEP to even beat a Nevada, AF, Kent State or Eastern Michigan in a NM Bowl or Frisco Bowl.
Price made a mold of what can be done at UTEP: Have high expectations like we do for basketball. You can bring in more than 25k for home games, put the product on the field. Don’t just go get a check for money games, prep to win it. The coach is a ticket salesman, embrace it. Expect quality in the office and you need to spend money to make money. If a targeted recruit is in Florida, so be it (true story. He went after a O lineman in Florida and got him). He made Stull spiff up the SB exterior and put in new turf later in his tenure. What UTEP couldn’t do under Price? Get the money to lure top assistants which plagues UTEP today.
Not included in this thread?! Bobby Dobbs. You have to include Dobbs. You can have a bad season and bounce back another.
Bobby Dobbs wears the crown and on it stays for now.
For better or for worse, Price has been our best, continuous, era of football. It helped get the Durham center built and it brought excitement to the University/City. It's too early to say one theoretical bowl win is better than elevating the program from the basement.
Larry K. Durham Center - Facilities - UTEP Miners
The official facilities page for the The University of Texas at El Paso Miners
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Durham Center was before Price and construction led by former UTEP safety Joe Rocillo.
https://utep.rivals.com/news/durham-center-on-schedule-for-summer-completion
Win a bowl game Dimel, but I expect waaaaaaay more next year (All the important players are coming back, only 11 seniors graduate.). I expect a CUSA crown.
Dimel won't win a championship. But he can show improvement by winning 8 or 9 games (against a better schedule) and running a more creative offense.
Anything less than 6 wins and he should get the boot, but we all know that's not UTEP's style.
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Next year we'll lose for sure to Oklahoma, every other game should be within reason to have a chance. Even Boise St. in the Sun Bowl should be an opportunity to win. Boise St. is not the same away from home and UTEP should be better next year. UTSA on the road will be tough, but UTSA loses a lot from this year's amazing team. I agree 8-10 wins should be the goal next year. If we win a bowl game, that's good momentum and extra practice which can only help us. NMSU and Boise St. should both get over 30,000 next year and hopefully they keep the momentum and El Pasoans hyper next year. If Dimel wins bowl give him a 3 year extension and try to keep this going!
Imo UTEP is going to struggle to hit 7 wins next year.
They had a lot of things going in their favor this year.
UNM missing their WRs and qb in the second half. I could see us losing in Abq next year
USM not having a qb
LT having a historically low year.
Catching ODU early on before their coach warmed up.
Very early predictions.
Losses
Oklahoma, @ UNM, Boise St, @ UTSA, @ ODU
Wins
NMSU, UNT, FAU, USM, @RICE
Toss ups
@LT, UAB
You could throw UNM and ODU into the toss ups but we're still not a road team. You could throw LT into the wins but same reasoning applies.
They had a lot of things going in their favor this year.
UNM missing their WRs and qb in the second half. I could see us losing in Abq next year
USM not having a qb
LT having a historically low year.
Catching ODU early on before their coach warmed up.
Very early predictions.
Losses
Oklahoma, @ UNM, Boise St, @ UTSA, @ ODU
Wins
NMSU, UNT, FAU, USM, @RICE
Toss ups
@LT, UAB
You could throw UNM and ODU into the toss ups but we're still not a road team. You could throw LT into the wins but same reasoning applies.
Kind of early to think about next year. It’s not for certain that ODU and USM will be on the 2022 schedule. The SBC teams all put they’re joining “no later than July 2023” on their press releases, which indicates it could be sooner.
Way too early I suppose. We could lose some to transfer or gain some through transfer and this team, could get a little worse to a lot better. I still say 8+ should be the expectation if we win bowl game.
OU is the only hard loss on the schedule. UNM having their 3 WRs back hasn’t made a difference as they still look terrible, arguably worse than UTEP. UTSA is losing their QB, probably their RB, and we have no idea how good Traylor’s recruits will be once they have to step up. ODU could be tough, but that’s because UTEP literally forgets how to play football in the eastern time zone.
it’s going to come down to who we return, who Dimel recruits from JUCO to fill the ranks, and if realignment starts earlier than what’s scheduled. For all we know Cowing, Praise, and Awatt could get favorable draft grades and declare or maybe Dimel gets the next Bailey Zappe from the portal. It’s tough to project next season this far out
