OT: panhandlers around UTEP

[minermx07]

Problem is all the government handouts have made us lazy. Why work when you know the government is not going to let you starve, and will put a roof over your head for almost nothing.
There was a time when people wanted a hand up not a handout. I’m afraid those days are gone. That’s why “Americans “ won’t do those jobs. No need to work that hard. What a shame.

That's such a Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity thing to say with no basis in fact or reality.

The United States Government provides less for it's people than any industrial government in the world. It sounds harsh, but it's true. Factually true. Yet, the United States had more homeless, crime, lower life expectancy than all industrial nations.

People love the culture wars, their talking points so much that they're willing to suffer, get screwed by an unfair system because then they'd be owning the libs.

 

[MinerInWisconsin]

That's such a Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity thing to say with no basis in fact or reality.

The United States Government provides less for it's people than any industrial government in the world. It sounds harsh, but it's true. Factually true. Yet, the United States had more homeless, crime, lower life expectancy than all industrial nations.

People love the culture wars, their talking points so much that they're willing to suffer, get screwed by an unfair system because then they'd be owning the libs.

The truth is out there!

The US provides about the average of industrial nations on social spending based on percent of GDP and when including all sources of spending on these issues the US spends the 2nd most.

http://www.oecd.org/els/soc/expenditure.htm

As for the US having more homeless than all other industrial nations, nope..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

I would love to see the poverty rate of the US go down significantly since that is the current trend.

 

[axingfools1]

let's also keep in mind that many of these "poor" homeless folk do it because they enjoy that lifestyle. I've known dudes like that.

Some people do the 9-5, others would rather beg for money and drink and do drugs all day. Im not sure which is the more appealing lifestyle myself, honestly...

You will know when you start to have a horrible death from the drugs or alcohol...

 

[jdubb66]

What if we used all public funds now being used to subsidize college athletic programs to fund mental healthcare, housing or food programs for the poor. Huh, anybody...

 

[minermx07]

The truth is out there!

The US provides about the average of industrial nations on social spending based on percent of GDP and when including all sources of spending on these issues the US spends the 2nd most.

http://www.oecd.org/els/soc/expenditure.htm

As for the US having more homeless than all other industrial nations, nope..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

I would love to see the poverty rate of the US go down significantly since that is the current trend.

It appears you're right about the homeless rate.

 

[MinerInWisconsin]

It appears you're right about the homeless rate.

I was surprised to see Mexico's very low homeless rate. Whatever they're doing maybe we should emulate that.

 

[develman]

What if we used all public funds now being used to subsidize college athletic programs to fund mental healthcare, housing or food programs for the poor. Huh, anybody...

This would truly be laudable, but then we get into the rabbit hole of well, why don't we close tax loopholes that help corporations go without paying 0% in federal taxes and use the funds for the homeless. And on and on we could go about what could be done. Problem is the majority don't want to give up anything and/or don't care.

 

[Dmanminer]

I was surprised to see Mexico's very low homeless rate. Whatever they're doing maybe we should emulate that.

Family!!!

 

[develman]

Family!!!

That's true stronger family bonds. My cousin from Durango has about 12 people living at his house. His wife and 3 kids, the rest are extended family.

 

[UTEPfan1966]

That's true stronger family bonds. My cousin from Durango has about 12 people living at his house. His wife and 3 kids, the rest are extended family.

I was gonna say, just because 35 people live in a 2 room house, does that mean they are much better off? I mean seriously?

There will ALWAYS be homeless people. There are ZERO ways around it. The problem is in today's business environment, the profit margin and profits to shareholders are the most important thing to those folks. You cut into their profits in order to help the less fortunate, then they change the rules so they make the same, or more, profits. Demos AND repubs that have money are BOTH guilty.

You can't fix the homeless problem....that's bottom line

 

[axingfools1]

What if we used all public funds now being used to subsidize college athletic programs to fund mental healthcare, housing or food programs for the poor. Huh, anybody...

Why dont we just put a 100% tax on cigarettes and alcohol and have it go back to the individual counties and local schools etc. That would pay for everything.

 

[USAFminersfan]

You will know when you start to have a horrible death from the drugs or alcohol...

eh, you could have a horrible death either way. Never know when that time is coming or how, so might as well drink a few beers, smoke a couple rocks, and make sweet alley love while you can. The women may not always have teeth, but their bodies are always bangin...

 

[jdubb66]

This would truly be laudable, but then we get into the rabbit hole of well, why don't we close tax loopholes that help corporations go without paying 0% in federal taxes and use the funds for the homeless. And on and on we could go about what could be done. Problem is the majority don't want to give up anything and/or don't care.

Exactly, nobody cares about socialized medicine but socialized military,cars and athletic programs are just fine. Everybody just stfu already.

 

[Dmanminer]

I was gonna say, just because 35 people live in a 2 room house, does that mean they are much better off? I mean seriously?

There will ALWAYS be homeless people. There are ZERO ways around it. The problem is in today's business environment, the profit margin and profits to shareholders are the most important thing to those folks. You cut into their profits in order to help the less fortunate, then they change the rules so they make the same, or more, profits. Demos AND repubs that have money are BOTH guilty.

You can't fix the homeless problem....that's bottom line

There has been homeless people forever, corporate profits have little to do with it. They could help with thr problem, never solve it.

 

[UTEPfan1966]

There has been homeless people forever, corporate profits have little to do with it. They could help with thr problem, never solve it.

Sorry, I disagree. Corporations focusing on the bottom line has a LOT to do with the increase in the number of homeless people. But, in a capitalistic society, there will ALWAYS be poor/homeless group. There are ZERO ways around it. If you think about it, for companies to make a profit, people are spending money. People spend more money than they make. Companies that sell goods or services will constantly move to make larger profits. thus taking from the people making less. Take from the people that make less enough, and they will eventually have less than nothing.
Corporations striving to increase profits for the top 2% will drive more people into homelessness.

Good lord I sound like a democrat....

 

[Dmanminer]

Sorry, I disagree. Corporations focusing on the bottom line has a LOT to do with the increase in the number of homeless people. But, in a capitalistic society, there will ALWAYS be poor/homeless group. There are ZERO ways around it. If you think about it, for companies to make a profit, people are spending money. People spend more money than they make. Companies that sell goods or services will constantly move to make larger profits. thus taking from the people making less. Take from the people that make less enough, and they will eventually have less than nothing.
Corporations striving to increase profits for the top 2% will drive more people into homelessness.

Good lord I sound like a democrat....

Sorry, I just believe people need to take responsibility for themselves.Of course corporations are there to make a profit, just like every small business. I do believe the salary paid to these COO outrageous. But so is the money paid to pro athletes, 435 million, how many homeless people could a tenth of that help. How many children could benefit from better schools or a full belly, or having one parent be able to be at home when they get out of school. But paradise is only in our dreams.

 

[develman]

Sorry, I disagree. Corporations focusing on the bottom line has a LOT to do with the increase in the number of homeless people. But, in a capitalistic society, there will ALWAYS be poor/homeless group. There are ZERO ways around it. If you think about it, for companies to make a profit, people are spending money. People spend more money than they make. Companies that sell goods or services will constantly move to make larger profits. thus taking from the people making less. Take from the people that make less enough, and they will eventually have less than nothing.
Corporations striving to increase profits for the top 2% will drive more people into homelessness.

Good lord I sound like a democrat....

It's not that you sound like a democrat, it's just that you have some empathy for others. Looking at life through someone else's eye's once in a while especially the less fortunate is good.

 

[UTEPfan1966]

Sorry, I just believe people need to take responsibility for themselves.Of course corporations are there to make a profit, just like every small business. I do believe the salary paid to these COO outrageous. But so is the money paid to pro athletes, 435 million, how many homeless people could a tenth of that help. How many children could benefit from better schools or a full belly, or having one parent be able to be at home when they get out of school. But paradise is only in our dreams.

I totally agree about the salaries. COOs get rewarded heavily when profit margins are large. You never see them give back when those margins fall. They will continue to attempt to increase those margins, and there is no way to regulate that. This will also increase the homeless numbers in an indirect way. I'm not saying to give free stuff all the time to these folks, but helping once in a while is ok. The problem with giving constant help is that people become dependent on it and stop helping themselves. Why work for it when you get it handed to you? (this actually could transition me into my stance on minimum wage, but I digress)
I believe our taxes are stupid high and giving things away for free all the time will just mean we need to pay more to fund it. I just think that too many homeless/panhandlers like the simple way and don't want to work for it anymore, or have just given up. I do feel bad most of the time even though I don't know their story. My wife even does blessing bags around the holidays that we randomly hand to folks on corners.
Again, there is no way to eliminate the homeless population as everything has a price, whatever it may be. If we are to help them, who is footing the bill? Farmers struggle to pay their own bills so they can't give food away. Shelters are structures and with structures comes a cost of having them. It cost money to make clothes because someone somewhere needs to be paid to make the clothes, after all they have bills too.

Vicious cycle that I just don't have an answer for...

 

[minermx07]

Sorry, I just believe people need to take responsibility for themselves.Of course corporations are there to make a profit, just like every small business. I do believe the salary paid to these COO outrageous. But so is the money paid to pro athletes, 435 million, how many homeless people could a tenth of that help. How many children could benefit from better schools or a full belly, or having one parent be able to be at home when they get out of school. But paradise is only in our dreams.

I don't begrudge anyone for their salaries. Professional athletes in particular make a very fair wage (50% of total gross revenues, although baseball has no rules in terms of salary).

I agree the homeless issue will never be completely solved. There are some people who prefer a life without structure.

However, better mental health treatment, better drug addiction help, would reduce our homeless population a great deal.

However, there is no money for any of that because the billionaires give millions to the politicians, who turn around and give billions of the public's dollars to the billionaires.

That's the real issue. Not our tax rates or our salaries. Its the corrupt system we've created where a few hundred rich guys get to screw the rest of us because they're allowed to buy the politicians. And we're too busy fighting each other on the cultural shit and as we fight, they rob us blind.

 

[kickballpro]

Exactly, nobody cares about socialized medicine but socialized military,cars and athletic programs are just fine. Everybody just stfu already.

There is a huge difference between free market capatilism funding social programs and government taking over private industry.

Even in Nordic countries they've moved towards our model by privatization of social security and private health insurance to supplement government. Nordic countries are moving to the American model and more Americans want to move to their old model. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people are fleeing socialist regimes in central America. Then they come here and want to vote for socialist.

 

[FiliUTEP]

Maybe UTEP should give them free tickets to the games??

 

[UTEPMiners8106]

You’re really showing off your Hall of Fame by adding nothing of substance to an argument that’s been dead for three years.

 

[FiliUTEP]

You’re really showing off your Hall of Fame by adding nothing of substance to an argument that’s been dead for three years.

So I'm at fault, for unihorns threads?? I haven't been at UTEP recently. Is there still a homeless problem there?? Isnt Rescue mission close by??

 

[FiliUTEP]

Maybe we can get them to come to Miner home games.

You stole my idea.

 

[UTEPMiners8106]

So I'm at fault, for unihorns threads?? I haven't been at UTEP recently. Is there still a homeless problem there?? Isnt Rescue mission close by??

No. You’re at fault because you’re a loser for digging up old threads no one gives a crap about. Get a life. You’re the Dr Frankenstein of Miner Digs trying to bring the dead back to life.

 

[FiliUTEP]

No. You’re at fault because you’re a loser for digging up old threads no one gives a crap about. Get a life. You’re the Dr Frankenstein of Miner Digs trying to bring the dead back to life.

If you have a problem with old threads being brought back. You need to contact Rivals complaints department. If Rivals didn't want old threads to be dug up, they would delete them.

 

[UTEPfan1966]

No. You’re at fault because you’re a loser for digging up old threads no one gives a crap about. Get a life. You’re the Dr Frankenstein of Miner Digs trying to bring the dead back to life.

Hey wait, isn't this what I complained about a few days ago?

I will say this though, I actually sounded intelligent in this thread. WTF happened to THAT guy?

 

[Cube Jack]

Not panhandlers,, but there was an odd group on campus yesterday. They were carrying signs protesting circumcision and wearing white clothes spray painted with red to simulate blood.

 

[axingfools1]

Not panhandlers,, but there was an odd group on campus yesterday. They were carrying signs protesting circumcision and wearing white clothes spray painted with red to simulate blood.

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