Poll: When Would You Have Fired Price?
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Looking back (and my opinions have changed since then) I think he was let go at the right time. My opinions changed because I am basing my opinion on what we had to endure with Kugler. I will take 7 straight losing season with teams that are competitive with a passage game vs. boring Kugler football that overall wasn't competitive.
I voted for year 7. By then we had experienced five straight losing seasons. The allure of CMP had fallen as indicated by the decrease in attendance. The following year despite going bowling CMP saw his lowest season attendance average. I originally was going to vote year 6 but that season we lost five games by an average score of 4.6 points. Had a couple of balls bounced our way or some calls gone our way we could have finished at least 7-5 if not better.
After year 5. Year 5 UTEP was loaded on offense. They were up 21-0 at Tech and lost. They lost to NMSU. They won of few high scoring shootouts and were beating ECU at home in another shootout when they lost horribly in overtime. They didn't win the rest of the year (0-6). I felt then that 1)CMP didn't care about defense and 2) that his teams were undisciplined and collapsed late in the year.
That was UTEP's chance to trade up and keep the program moving forward. Barbee had basketball on the rise it was still before the AAC formed. Instead, Stull kept Price 4 MORE YEARS and the rest is history. Attendance was never again above 30K.
That was UTEP's chance to trade up and keep the program moving forward. Barbee had basketball on the rise it was still before the AAC formed. Instead, Stull kept Price 4 MORE YEARS and the rest is history. Attendance was never again above 30K.
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Does anyone remember how the contract extensions went down? I found an old North Texas blog where it says CMP signed a one year extension in Oct 2005 that would keep him at Utep until 2009-2010. How did he end up staying an extra two season? What did he do between 2006-2010 that merited another two seasons?
http://www.gomeangreen.com/forums/topic/24814-utep-boostsextends-prices-deal/
http://www.gomeangreen.com/forums/topic/24814-utep-boostsextends-prices-deal/
The Price era effectively ended after the UAB game in 05. It was all down hill after that. After Nord's players were gone he never won and wasn't ever able to match the talent level of Nord's guys. I would have fired him after the 08 season maybe the 07 season. The late season collapse, lack of discipline and horrible fundamental football had become a staple of the Price era by then
I don't blame Price one bit for this season. This has been 12 seasons in the making. This is on Stull's total mismanagement of the football program.One winning season in the last 12 years and he let two losing coaches stay too long. The Price hiring as interim coach just proved how out of touch Stull is. He brought Price in because he thought he would sell tickets. Price is not a popular figure around UTEP fans. A lot of fans left in the finals years of the Price administration because of the apparent non commitment of Stull to have a winning program. We've steady lost fans the last ten years with this year it hitting the bottom getting to 2003 numbers. I feel sorry for Price it was unfair of Stull to ask him to be the interim coach.
I can't believe I'm saying this but this is what needed to happen. We had to watch the football program burn to realize where we are. For years we've seen Stull prop up losing teams like when Price beat Marshall on the final game of the year to get to four wins. Last year we saw Kugler beat UNT to get to four wins. In both cases Stull sold those wins as hope for the future and signs that we were getting better. The truth is for 12 years We've been a bad program. We've been passed competitively by every Texas g5 school. This has been painful to watch but it's what it took Stull's house full of smoke and mirrors to collapse on him. It's disgraceful this is what it's come to.
I don't blame Price one bit for this season. This has been 12 seasons in the making. This is on Stull's total mismanagement of the football program.One winning season in the last 12 years and he let two losing coaches stay too long. The Price hiring as interim coach just proved how out of touch Stull is. He brought Price in because he thought he would sell tickets. Price is not a popular figure around UTEP fans. A lot of fans left in the finals years of the Price administration because of the apparent non commitment of Stull to have a winning program. We've steady lost fans the last ten years with this year it hitting the bottom getting to 2003 numbers. I feel sorry for Price it was unfair of Stull to ask him to be the interim coach.
I can't believe I'm saying this but this is what needed to happen. We had to watch the football program burn to realize where we are. For years we've seen Stull prop up losing teams like when Price beat Marshall on the final game of the year to get to four wins. Last year we saw Kugler beat UNT to get to four wins. In both cases Stull sold those wins as hope for the future and signs that we were getting better. The truth is for 12 years We've been a bad program. We've been passed competitively by every Texas g5 school. This has been painful to watch but it's what it took Stull's house full of smoke and mirrors to collapse on him. It's disgraceful this is what it's come to.
What a stupid question, typical UTEP. How about focusing on the LAST half decade, which is at least as long as it's gonna take to dig out from being the worst football team in the FBS.
So basically we should have never hired Kugler. I’ve posted on various UTEP message boards for about seven years now. I wasn’t impressed with the Kugler hire. I stopped complaining and patiently waited to see if it would work. It didn’t. I’ve been saying the same thing for a long time now. We need to hire a million dollar coach.
I ain’t having this stupid conversation with you again. It is possible. Other schools with smaller budgets, smaller populations, smaller enrollment, and less time in FBS can make it work. If UTEP wants to be taken serious they need to get into $800,000 - $1,200,000 range. Amazing how that snake oil salesman BS has all you believing we are the sisters of the poor.
They can pay more because they have higher endowments, more high profile boosters.
Anything is "possible". It is possible for UTEP to go to the Elite 8, but they probably won't. Possible and probable are two different things.
That's right, you said we should take the money from basketball and pay a basketball coach $200,000. You can't find a $200,000 basketball coach anywhere.
So you're saying it is all BS and UTEP can afford to pay a coach that much but they choose not to?
Look man as I’ve stated you guys will find a 1000 reasons why we can’t instead of one reason why we can. We have a top 3 endowment in CUSA among public universities. According to a poster in the know here the boosters were ready to buy out Kugler last year and begin the Sun Bowl renovations. So we also have money boosters.
Last season 15 coaches in the NCAA tournament made $300,000 or less. I know originally I said $200,000 but then realized UTSA pays their coach $265,000 and ended the season with one less win than us. There are good up and coming coaches at a lower price than Floyd. I don’t think JR, BG, Sadler, or TB made much more than $250,000.
Whatever helps you sleep tight at night. I’m done being the worst team in the nation. Last season for a good stretch we also had the absolute worst team in basketball. I’m fed up of watching other programs do more with less while we cross our arms and say this is as best as it gets for UTEP.
If you say UTEP can pay a coach that much now, WHY aren't they doing it?
So UTEP said no to the boosters?
Barbee got paid over $300k and that was years ago.
Right now, this is the best it is going to get. This isn't something that is going to be fixed overnight.
I sleep fine whether UTEP wins or losses. Spots is entertainment and if you're losing sleep over sports then you have to reassess your priorities.
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THIS!
Awesome! lmao
Your opinions and handles have changed MANY times since then.
Love or hate him, he showed El Paso that you can bring top talent and to always have high expectations for the program. Bust your ass and go shake some hands....with everyone, not just season ticket holders and boosters. He did bring in the "casual fans" to games unlike Kugler who gave the unintended impression that he didn't need them. Price was salesman through and through. A classic GOP, college football entrepreneur head coach who could sell El Paso Montana East mobile home park sites for over $50,000 to savy business people.
I personally am glad he stayed in El Paso. I want Kugler to stay. There are young people who need to hear his message about setting goals, keeping on the right track and personal accountability. Hell, I need to hear it!
I personally am glad he stayed in El Paso. I want Kugler to stay. There are young people who need to hear his message about setting goals, keeping on the right track and personal accountability. Hell, I need to hear it!
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THIS!
Awesome! lmao
Your opinions and handles have changed MANY times since then.
I am not sure if you were drunk again last night, but you are the person who said you have had many user names over ten years and you admitted to drunken tirades.
We get it, you have seats in row 2. Congrats! It seems like you are somebody who is insecure and like to brag.
Actually, if you look at the time stamp, it was 7:07 this morning. (time is listed as central time on the board. So, no I wasn't drunk. Wasn't hungover either as I was trick or treating last night.
As for the multiple names, Yes I have had a couple. I own that. You never will. I was arguing drunk one night and went over the line. I understand why I was kicked off. I have been drunk a couple other times but haven't gotten banned. The only other time I was was because this board was a mess and a few of us bolted to another board. I posted a link, and poof I was gone. (they were too and haven't come back)
I don't come on at night much anymore to prevent my dumb moments. At least I can own the fact when I have too much to drink and get stupid. I'm not like some that are just....well anyway....
Dude, I'm NOT bragging. If you think I am, I feel sorry for you. You must be jealous of people that do actually go to the games. I am just a poor schmuck that loves the Miners and go to as many things as I can. I set all their games in my phone so I know what's up. Half my closet is orange, not the damn blue we have gone to. Been a fan since I was a kid in the 70s, and will be till I die, with or without this board. I don't come here to argue with fellow miner fans, although I have from time to time. That's just not my goal. I post my opinions as a REAL FAN. Whether or not you or anyone else on here agrees with me isn't the point. It's MY opinion.
It seems you are headed back to your debate form. It is about the average time for you to do so. I am sorry I fell in again, but I will let you win the argument because that's what's important to you. Tell your teacher you won again.
You are right, I am wrong.
Goodnight Gracie.
You mentioned in multiple threads you have tickets in Row 2. That is called bragging.
Yeah, I'm jealous of people that go to UTEP games. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense since I go to all the games.
Yeah, I'm jealous of people that go to UTEP games.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense since I go to all the games.Yeah, I am dumb sometimes....maybe more than I care to admit....
For the record, my point in upgrading my seats was because the older fans are dying off giving me the chance to move. That is all.
I'm hoping for a better crowd Friday. Might hit the hut first....
Me too to your first statement. Remember two things when dealing with bob. The Miranda rights anything you say will be used against you. Like your wife, he is always right.Yeah, I am dumb sometimes....maybe more than I care to admit....
For the record, my point in upgrading my seats was because the older fans are dying off giving me the chance to move. That is all.
I'm hoping for a better crowd Friday. Might hit the hut first....
It's hilarious seeing some people (thank god it's only a couple) on here who state their opinions, but can't back them up with facts/and or logical explanations, and when they're called out they make excuses and make dumb comments and cry and derail the conversations.
Ok dude have a nice night you won the internet. I’m going to enjoy the World Series now.
I'm not here to "win the Internet". I'm hear to talk about UTEP sports, hear different opinions, discuss, and debate when necessary. You like to state opinions and then leave when you are asked to back up your opinions.
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Chingados guey. I’ve stated fact after fact backing up every statement.
You’re right about everything. I agree with all your opinions. I’m going to write Natalicio a recommendation letter about you. I really believe you can take this program to the next level if you were AD.
Pat Kelsey 227,000, Mike Davis 250,000, John Brannen 190,000, Brian Jones 109,000, Levell Moton 261,000, Jamion Christian 199,000. All of those made the NCAA tournament last season. There are about dozen more not included. About another 20 or more who had good records but didn’t qualify to the NCAA tournament.
Given our track record with the previous four coaches before Floyd I think it will work out the same or better than what we are currently experiencing. As I’ve saying all along.
You're right, let's pay the lowest amount for a coach and see where it goes and put all of our money in football.
I can't wait until next year when our millionaire coach is going to take us bowling and actually win the game and we have a new basketball coach who we will pay $150,000 and we will go to the Big Dance! Big things are in store for UTEP!!!
Me too! Hopefully we have the same luck as FAU, FIU, UTSA, UNT in the quick turnarounds but it might take 2-3 years here. I thought we had agreed on a salary range of 250k-300k for b-ball. Why did you bring it down?
Right now eating carne guisada tacos, drinking some ultras, watching the Astros, and responding to the comments on here.
I was being sarcastic with lowering the number.
Great, now it's going to take 2-3 years. So for over $3 million we will HOPEFULLY finally win a bowl game and MIGHT win a conference championship.
And basketball of course will be in great shape with our new coach.
Great things are in store for UTEP!!!
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