2 years ago, their 1st year coach won 7 games and won a bowl game. Then he made the conference championship game their first year in the league.
I don’t know. Just pointing out that it’s possible and schools aren’t waiting 4 years to be good. AAC schools aren’t even giving 3 years now.
Any competent athletic director would have made the decision to fire him around 2009 or 2010. I often wonder what level of interest there might have been in coaching at UTEP before the program was driven into the ground.
The only reason Price ended up at UTEP is because nobody else would touch him with a 10 ft pole. We probably would have just got Kugler a couple years early.
I really hope so. It would be great to share some positive posts around here for a change.
You’re probably right. The university has never managed to leverage momentum to elevate the program to the next level. I’m not sure if that mindset will ever change.
There’s 80+ bowl teams every year now. That is the way it’s headed. If Charlotte and FAU aren’t giving 2 full years now, that’s a wake up call for coaches. Adapt or continue to carry on “it takes 4 years” philosophy here. It’s worked so WELL you know.
All you have to be is... a top 80 team to earn a bowl bid? Definitely should be a reachable goal.
Those schools aren’t asking for six wins in the first year, but they also won’t tolerate only six wins over two years.
Right and the thing is, UTEP could have been close to having the NMSU game mean something. Losing to Southern Utah really tanked the season. With some “better coaching”, UTEP could have won the LaTech and MTSU games. There’s 3 wins right there, instead they’re 3 losses. Guess we’ll excuse them since he’s a “first year coach”…
You’re comparing apples to oranges tho. 99% of adults aren’t even near that level of compensation. Do you think 99% of people would like a demotion and huge cut in pay?
Like I said, I’ve been around him a bit. I’ll leave it at that.
Kane, donate a couple million every year and I believe we will get the coach you want.
Great idea. I love 2-8 football teams and losing to Utah Valley by 27 points. Super great time in UTEP athletics. I’ll just donate a couple of million I have laying around.
JCorona-we all have the right to bitch about UTEP, but Kane carries it onto the extreme. You of all people know what it takes to run a successful athletic program. MONEY.
The thing is, the examples we point to come from programs just as financially constrained as we are, if not worse. In just two years, NMSU accomplished more under Kill than we’ve managed in 60. I’ve never seen UTEP win a bowl game or play in a conference championship game. So here’s the real question: would you prefer two years of what NMSU achieved under Kill, or the 11 years we endured under Kugler and Dimel?
Write better contracts and stop giving coaches such a long leash. Dimel was 8-33 against FBS teams when he received an extension. Seriously, what more evidence do we need to see that it’s not going to work? We got to eat one of those extension years so it’s all fine and dandy.
Why invent something that already exists? 🤡
So Kill had a lighting in a bottle type of thing. That's the exception. 7-6 first year, 10-5 second year. What did they do before? Should the new coach be fired this year? Price had 2 good years when he took over. How'd that work out?
UTEP definition of “eating” is beating 7 of the worst teams in college football, losing all games to anyone good, just to lose in the New Mexico Bowl. That’s as good as it gets here!
So, the answer to that is obvious. What isn't obvious is how to actually get to the heights NMSU reached. I think we can all agree that a coach shouldn't get 6 years like Dimel, or 9 years like Price, or 7 years like Floyd to turn something around. However, do we continue shuffling coaches every 2 years, every 3 years? What's the magic number? Because in reality, not MANY programs are turned around in a year or two, statistically speaking.
Everyone agrees with the outcomes you mentioned. They're facts. They can't be argued with. Maybe you've answered this, and maybe it's not as easy as just throwing an answer out there because of all the variables in play, but how long do YOU give a coach?
There really is no set amount and it’s based on what kind of program you desire to be. There also has to be improvement you can actually prove. Saying they played tougher or harder or smarter is not that.
Yes....when ALL you do is post this stuff, YES it is. This isn't your NMSU board, bruh.
IMO, Walden should automatically get three years to show gradual improvement. However, if after those three years his record sits at 9-27 with only seven FBS wins, history at UTEP makes it pretty clear that he’s not the guy to get it done.
That, we should all be able to agree upon. I think 3 years is sufficient to demonstrate success and where the team is headed. At that point it becomes all about what is acceptable to whoever the AD is at the time. Unfortunately, our last 2 ADs, including our current, have really been content with subpar results. Which sucks for fans.
