NC State is fun to watch. They just don't have the tradition to bring out casual fans.
Early Sun Bowl projections
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Not true. USC was the only Pac 12 team that ever complained about coming to the Sun Bowl.
You have proof of that? Stanford and UCLA never complained when they came here and ASU never complained when they came here.
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Look at the Sun Bowl Facebook page. Some people who live in El Paso are complaining about the match-up and say the committee is trash and hope nobody shows up to the game. People don't realize that there are worse match-ups out there.
Last year was a great match-up and had the #2 and #3 draft picks playing in the game. You can't get lucky every year.
Arizona State and NC State isn't a bad match-up by any means.
That is sooooooo unlike you.
The Pac 12 never wants to come here because we are so far down their ladder. They are disappointed and pissed. Damn near every year posts on twitter and facebook show that. We don't need proof, son. It's been obvious for years.
Bernie is trash and has been for years. He gets paid to do a cushy job and does nothing to make the Sun Bowl a great game. Why should he? It's not like he will get fired. Part of the good ol boys network here in El Paso. The object of the game SHOULD be to bring in the best teams AND the ones that will bring in the most fans. In doing this, the visitors help our city by spending money. Bernie wants to fill the Sun Bowl with locals. That's bad business and he should go...
So show proof from Arizona State players that they don't want to come here and show proof that they hate El Paso. It should be easy since you said nearly all their posts state this.
Stanford loved it here, so not sure what you are talking about.
USC was the only team that complained. They were #1 at the beginning of that season.
Bernie is trash? The Sun Bowl isn't a great game? The Sun Bowl has been on CBS for 50 years. If they didn't think it was a great game they wouldn't still be televising the game.
The Sun Bowl gets well over 40,000 fans a game every year, so you have no clue what you are talking about. Most lower-tier bowls don't get those numbers.
The direct economic impact from the Sun Bowl is $12 to $15 million per year.
Typical
Again, since you are slow, I will repeat......
The purpose of the game is to have good teams that will bring a lot of fans to El Paso. Just because EL PASOANS fill up the Sun Bowl doesn't mean he's doing the job correctly. Having an ACC team come here brings a few thousand (not including family) Each year (I haven't trolled this year doofus) comments are made from pac 12 schools and their fans how much they don't want to come here. It shows in the lack of fans in our city for the game.
Other cities want VISITORS to fill their bowls. Why do you think the New Mexico bowl likes us? Why did Arizona invite NMSU? They want VISITORS!
We aren't the Sugar Bowl where it's important to sell every ticket at a high price. We need visitors to pay rental car fees, hotel fees, eat at our restaurants, and enjoy El Paso so they just MAY come back in the future to spend more outsiders money.
When you look at your direct impact statement, take into consideration that the teams, staff, etc are contributing to that number (if correct). Imagine if Bernie could actually get us teams from this region that just might travel here? Say like Tech? Texas? OU? OK State? yannowhatimean?
Naturally, you will argue, cuz like....that's whatcha do.....
#Firebernieolivas
Again, since you are slow, I will repeat......
The purpose of the game is to have good teams that will bring a lot of fans to El Paso. Just because EL PASOANS fill up the Sun Bowl doesn't mean he's doing the job correctly. Having an ACC team come here brings a few thousand (not including family) Each year (I haven't trolled this year doofus) comments are made from pac 12 schools and their fans how much they don't want to come here. It shows in the lack of fans in our city for the game.
Other cities want VISITORS to fill their bowls. Why do you think the New Mexico bowl likes us? Why did Arizona invite NMSU? They want VISITORS!
We aren't the Sugar Bowl where it's important to sell every ticket at a high price. We need visitors to pay rental car fees, hotel fees, eat at our restaurants, and enjoy El Paso so they just MAY come back in the future to spend more outsiders money.
When you look at your direct impact statement, take into consideration that the teams, staff, etc are contributing to that number (if correct). Imagine if Bernie could actually get us teams from this region that just might travel here? Say like Tech? Texas? OU? OK State? yannowhatimean?
Naturally, you will argue, cuz like....that's whatcha do.....
#Firebernieolivas
Typical
Again, since you are slow, I will repeat......
The purpose of the game is to have good teams that will bring a lot of fans to El Paso. Just because EL PASOANS fill up the Sun Bowl doesn't mean he's doing the job correctly. Having an ACC team come here brings a few thousand (not including family) Each year (I haven't trolled this year doofus) comments are made from pac 12 schools and their fans how much they don't want to come here. It shows in the lack of fans in our city for the game.
Other cities want VISITORS to fill their bowls. Why do you think the New Mexico bowl likes us? Why did Arizona invite NMSU? They want VISITORS!
We aren't the Sugar Bowl where it's important to sell every ticket at a high price. We need visitors to pay rental car fees, hotel fees, eat at our restaurants, and enjoy El Paso so they just MAY come back in the future to spend more outsiders money.
When you look at your direct impact statement, take into consideration that the teams, staff, etc are contributing to that number (if correct). Imagine if Bernie could actually get us teams from this region that just might travel here? Say like Tech? Texas? OU? OK State? yannowhatimean?
Naturally, you will argue, cuz like....that's whatcha do.....
#Firebernieolivas
I'm not slow. You just don't understand facts.
The Sun Bowl has an economic impact of $12 to $15 million a year. The New Mexico Bowl has an annual economic impact of about $2.5 million.
NC State is a Top 25 team. They are a great team.
Take out the top 6 bowls and there are 13 ranked teams left. The Sun Bowl got one of those teams, but of course you have to still complain.
OU was here a few years ago. Obviously those teams you mentioned aren't going to come back since the Big 12 isn't affiliated with the Sun Bowl anymore.
I swear some of you are never satisfied. The Sun Bowl is a GREAT bowl.
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Can’t bitch about the Sun Bowl. I would like us to be tied into the Big 12, but I would like a million dollars too.
Enjoy the game!
Enjoy the game!
The Sun Bowl could be better every year, but not enough out of towners come. El Paso supports the bowl game. If more fans of the teams came, hotel and car rentals would be better and maybe they could offer more money to move up the pecking order.
ASU should bring a good amount of fans. The ACC teams will likely never bring a lot.
ASU should bring a good amount of fans. The ACC teams will likely never bring a lot.
I would take it a step further: Southeastern Conference, especially the west:
'Bama
Auburn
LSU
MS State
TAMU
Ole Miss
Arkansas
P12 vs. either B12/ SEC
A lot of those teams have played in the Sun Bowl.
The Sun Bowl will continue to thrive as long as they continue to pick teams from the Power 5 conferences.
https://www.facebook.com/SUNDEVILFOOTBALL/
https://www.facebook.com/ArizonaStateSunDevils/
A bunch of positive comments from fans.
"Out in the West Texas town of El Paso? Felina awaits! We will be there!"
"ASU is 3-1-1 all Time in the Sun Bowl. So a good bowl for them."
"go devils!! see you here in el paso!!!"
"lets go to El Paso!!"
"I lived in EP for 2 years and they DO have some of the nicest people there. I’m just so excited to see another game this season because there are MANY universities who won’t be able to see their team play again until next season"
"Across the border is Ciudad Juarez which it is illegal to own a gun; one of the deadliest cities in Mexico. El Paso however honors your right to own a gun with very little violence."
"We went to the last sun bowl as band parents and frankly the people of El Paso were so kind. Were excited that we were there and it was a fun and festive trip!! Way more exciting that sleeping at home for the cactus bowl!!! Plus football in a baseball venue is just bad!"
"El Paso (Sun Bowl) puts on a great bowl. Looking forward to hanging out with my El Paso family. Go Devils!!!"
"Sweet!! Being an El Paso native living in AZ, glad to see the devils in my hometown! Even if I wasn’t from there, it’s a pretty sweet setting and bowl game. #godevils"
"Amazing, but the Sun Bowl is the 2nd oldest bowl game played, with this year being the 83rd edition (tied with Orange and Sugar)....only the Rose Bowl has been around longer! Back in the 60's this was the only other "Western Bowl" besides the Rose. The community does a fantastic job of supporting this game (Our Cactus Bowl could take lessons!)"
https://www.facebook.com/ArizonaStateSunDevils/
A bunch of positive comments from fans.
"Out in the West Texas town of El Paso? Felina awaits! We will be there!"
"ASU is 3-1-1 all Time in the Sun Bowl. So a good bowl for them."
"go devils!! see you here in el paso!!!"
"lets go to El Paso!!"
"I lived in EP for 2 years and they DO have some of the nicest people there. I’m just so excited to see another game this season because there are MANY universities who won’t be able to see their team play again until next season"
"Across the border is Ciudad Juarez which it is illegal to own a gun; one of the deadliest cities in Mexico. El Paso however honors your right to own a gun with very little violence."
"We went to the last sun bowl as band parents and frankly the people of El Paso were so kind. Were excited that we were there and it was a fun and festive trip!! Way more exciting that sleeping at home for the cactus bowl!!! Plus football in a baseball venue is just bad!"
"El Paso (Sun Bowl) puts on a great bowl. Looking forward to hanging out with my El Paso family. Go Devils!!!"
"Sweet!! Being an El Paso native living in AZ, glad to see the devils in my hometown! Even if I wasn’t from there, it’s a pretty sweet setting and bowl game. #godevils"
"Amazing, but the Sun Bowl is the 2nd oldest bowl game played, with this year being the 83rd edition (tied with Orange and Sugar)....only the Rose Bowl has been around longer! Back in the 60's this was the only other "Western Bowl" besides the Rose. The community does a fantastic job of supporting this game (Our Cactus Bowl could take lessons!)"
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I agree. The day we exchange a P5 tie in with a G5 conference will be the start of its downfall. The crowds would most likely be slashed in half.
Exactly. Would you rather see a CUSA or Sun Belt team in the Sun Bowl? The Sun Bowl has good teams every year.
I would love to think that people want to come to the Sun Bowl but most don't. If you don't want cherry picked comments use the following search link below. All it searches for are the words El Paso and Sun Bowl on twitter nothing else. Read some tweet sand get back to us on what the majority think.
I love that El Pasoans go to the game in droves. Shows the hunger for quality college football.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22el%20paso%22%20%22sun%20bowl%22&src=typd
I love that El Pasoans go to the game in droves. Shows the hunger for quality college football.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22el%20paso%22%20%22sun%20bowl%22&src=typd
What would make El Paso a more attractive destination?
A real casino would help. I know when Northwestern came to the Sun Bowl that some of the alumni I talked with wanted to visit a casino, and all we can offer them is Sunland Park, which doesn't offer table games. If the Tiguas were allowed to have their casino, maybe it would have resembled a real casino by now with table games.
Compare El Paso to San Antonio. Of course, San Antonio has Six Flags and Sea World theme parks; El Paso has Western Playland (and really, New Mexico does now). Can El Paso ever support a major theme park? We probably can't even have the conversation until the city population cracks a million. I mean, if the market were there, wouldn't there have been some challenge to Western Playland in the decades since Magic Landing?
El Paso did steal Lucchese from San Antonio, so there's that. (Really, boot shopping does seem to be the #1 draw of visiting bowl fans.)
San Antonio has the River Walk. El Paso nightlife cannot compare. Can El Paso improve here? What would it take? El Paso does have some great restaurants and bars, but they're scattered amongst the city sprawl; there's nothing like the River Walk experience. Maybe if we ever get that damned arena built downtown, businesses and nightlife will follow downtown.
At one time there was hope that the Twelve Travelers statues would draw tourists downtown and enhance the pedestrian experience. So El Paso just had to ruin that with their typical grandstanding on the Oñate statue. Instead of the centerpiece located downtown, it is relegated to the El Paso Airport as an anonymous conquistador. El Paso has to find ways to ruin things, even when the funds for a project are already available. Same story with the damned arena.
Juarez used to be a big draw for visitors to El Paso, but now everybody's afraid to go there, whether fairly or not, with the bad press and depiction in the movie Sicario.
El Paso does offer lots of outdoors activities for the adventure types (hiking, rock climbing, etc.). I'm guessing that's a small subset of potential bowl visitors.
As you implied, the Sun Bowl is different from most other mid-level bowls because the locals pack the stands. That is something special about the Sun Bowl, and for that reason alone I think the gameday experience surpasses most other mid-level bowls. I don't really care how many NCState fans make the trek as long as the locals find it an exciting matchup and pack the stands.
I think a big “Mercado” should be built downtown that recreates the Juarez experience. Great Mexican food and drink, plus all the cheap, cheesy stuff tourists would like such as sombreros, serapes, leather goods, specialty foods, etc., etc.
Thats an awesome idea! I'm not sure you could get the same feel though, but brainstorming it would be cool. I went to the market in Cancun (after trying to sift through all the bullshit vendors on the way) and I loved it. It brought me back to the market in Juarez of 20-25 years ago.
Good stuff FeralFelidae. Not sure what the answer is but like you said I dont care too much either. As long as us locals get a good matchup we will show up. I do feel like EP is improving a lot though, DT in particular. At least when out of town fans stay DT they will have a better time than they did a couple of years ago. Lots more bars and restaurants. Also Cinci is back so they can party all night there.
I do miss the big mercado days too. I took some people a couple of weeks ago and it looked depressing. The people I took did enjoy the plaza and bars/food but the poor mercado's (Chuatemoc and pink one) arent what they once were.
Much bigger. You could enclose streets and air condition it for an authentic feel.
Hmm. Well said. I like casinos but no alcohol in the New Mexico casinos is some kind of bad dream (especially for non smokers). No tables like in Sunland Park makes it even worse.
We need to get the multipurpose arena built and include sports. Abandon the Durangito area if needed and put it back to a vote with correct wording. I don't care about spending a little more but that's just me (I know I'm the minority in EP). Having boxing, UFC, NCAA, concerts, etc...will always help the city and downtown.
I'm not sure about a theme park. Those are more for cities that are vacation destinations IMO. I think a newer/bigger water park that can recycle water would be cool on the Eastside.
Making UTEP athletics good and creating excitement/demand would help put EP on the map to a lot more people around the U.S. Its not the be-all end-all around the country but it doesn't hurt!
I’ve always thought El Paso should create a touristic little Mexico. People from all over the USA can go to Mexico without actually stepping foot over there.
Exactly. Maybe they even put in a little bridge you walk out on where you can take pictures technically from Mexico.
Has the Sun Bowl committee tried to highlight Durangito for potential out of town fans? Surely, if El Pasoans care so much about it, out of towners would like to see it as well.
When I left downtown on Saturday, I drove by and couldn't help but admire the historic buildings. One of which was a laundromat where Chinese people did laundry.
When I left downtown on Saturday, I drove by and couldn't help but admire the historic buildings. One of which was a laundromat where Chinese people did laundry.
Thanks for proving more positive comments. Sure, there are some negative comments, but definitely not the majority and most NC State fans are complaining because of the distance.
"Sunday: “State is going to the sun bowl? I’m not going to El Paso, that’s too far, I’ll watch the game from my couch” Today: *buys a ticket*"
"It’s not the game they are mad at. It’s a great opportunity. It’s the fact that’s it’s like impossible to get to El Paso. When you can’t get there, it’s frustrating. Coming from a student who can’t pay like 400+$ to fly there."
"State heading to El Paso to play Arizona State in Hyundai Sun Bowl on Dec. 29. Only bowl game televised on CBS. Stinks for fans wanting to travel, but it isn't as awful as some claim. Sun is more solid slotting than it gets credit. And, State has never been to the Sun Bowl"
"not knocking the town, but flights to El Paso from RDU are generally much more than to Dallas or Houston. I would guess that there will be 90% fewer NCSU fans making trip as opposed to a FL bowl."
It's hilarious when people act immature when you know they are wrong. It's funny to watch.
But he's a Kappa Sigma, so not really surprised he's immature.
But he's a Kappa Sigma, so not really surprised he's immature.
Interesting on southwest right now the cheapest flight for the game from Raleigh to El Paso is $210. From Raleigh to Dallas is $196. Such a backbreaking difference.
Shouldn't you be trying to find ways to lower our water bills instead of posting stupid things on the Internet? I hope the water company doesn't find out you're using company time for your immature crap.
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