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New MWC Possibility:

Would this be better for UTEP?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 92.5%
  • No

    Votes: 3 7.5%

  • Total voters
    40
Coaches and NIL matter more than anything else at this level.

This is a really important point no one is talking about. Honestly if I was Senter and someone walked in the door and said I've got $5M for your athletics, I'd say here's the phone number of the NIL collective. I need a 4 star dual threat QB and an O-line to keep him healthy.

Buy the football players you need and all the other financial issues will take care of themselves.
 
It's hard to believe that we got out of CUSA before La Tech, Middle Tennessee, and Western Kentucky. This is the one time that geography saved us. Geography has hurt us so much in the past. Said schools have been far more competitive than us in the revenue sports and if they were more geographically aligned would have likely passed us up. La Tech needs to find a way into the Sun Belt and WKU/MTSU should have went to the MAC when they had the chance. Well, CUSA is their problem now. Good luck to them.
 
You guys don't get it. Hawaii is a money pit if you have to fly all your non-football teams that don't generate any revenue out there.

And while we may prefer NMSU because they're already FBS... inviting them is redundant since the MW already has the El Paso market by adding UTEP. Only way the Aggies get in is if the MW decides it wants strength in numbers or they get turned down by other options.

Tarleton is a geographic player with deep pockets as a bonus. I don't love the idea but that's what makes them prettier than LA Tech, SHSU and NMSU.

Stephenville Texas is a Geographic player? It’s a tiny town. Do they even have a Whataburger?

It’s really kinda off the beaten path. I don’t know what it brings.

The point is there are not alot of options when adding a full member. And the PAC and MW need full members. It’s the only reason UTEP got invited. They are desperate.

When UTEP was in the WAC with Hawaii, they would fly to Los Angeles, spend the night there, then fly to Hawaii, play and get back on the plane. Hawaii would have like 6-8 game road trips.

Hawaii isn’t ideal but I would be Delaware isn’t much cheaper
 
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Stephenville Texas is a Geographic player? It’s a tiny town. Do they even have a Whataburger?

It’s really kinda off the beaten path. I don’t know what it brings.

The point is there are not alot of options when adding a full member. And the PAC and MW need full members. It’s the only reason UTEP got invited. They are desperate.

When UTEP was in the WAC with Hawaii, they would fly to Los Angeles, spend the night there, then fly to Hawaii, play and get back on the plane. Hawaii would have like 6-8 game road trips.

Hawaii isn’t ideal but I would be Delaware isn’t much cheaper

An hour and a half from DFW airport is reasonably close. It's obviously a pretty small town, but a lot of people from the metroplex go to Tarleton. Tarleton St does get covered by DFW media. Not like SMU or UNT, but it does in a small way tie into that market and gives access to players there.

I'd totally add Sam Houston for the same reason. About an hour from Houston.
 
An hour and a half from DFW airport is reasonably close. It's obviously a pretty small town, but a lot of people from the metroplex go to Tarleton. Tarleton St does get covered by DFW media. Not like SMU or UNT, but it does in a small way tie into that market and gives access to players there.

I'd totally add Sam Houston for the same reason. About an hour from Houston.
TSU has way better facilities than Sam Houston.
 
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Stephenville Texas is a Geographic player? It’s a tiny town. Do they even have a Whataburger?

It’s really kinda off the beaten path. I don’t know what it brings.

The point is there are not alot of options when adding a full member. And the PAC and MW need full members. It’s the only reason UTEP got invited. They are desperate.

When UTEP was in the WAC with Hawaii, they would fly to Los Angeles, spend the night there, then fly to Hawaii, play and get back on the plane. Hawaii would have like 6-8 game road trips.

Hawaii isn’t ideal but I would be Delaware isn’t much cheaper
Stephenville is definitely tiny I’ve been there. However they are truly a College Town in the truest since of the word! They support their Football and are putting a lot of money into athletics! They have deep pockets, recently expanded their stadium to FBS G6 level and are almost done with new basketball arena! To be honest they probably have more upside than Sam Houston. With that said I still would rather MWC go FBS before FCS come ups, but MWC will do what they see is best. At least where already in!
 
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Stephenville Texas is a Geographic player? It’s a tiny town. Do they even have a Whataburger?

It’s really kinda off the beaten path. I don’t know what it brings.

The point is there are not alot of options when adding a full member. And the PAC and MW need full members. It’s the only reason UTEP got invited. They are desperate.

When UTEP was in the WAC with Hawaii, they would fly to Los Angeles, spend the night there, then fly to Hawaii, play and get back on the plane. Hawaii would have like 6-8 game road trips.

Hawaii isn’t ideal but I would be Delaware isn’t much cheaper
Hawaii isn’t going to be an all sports member though. Football travel isn’t a big deal. Yeah, you wish all your road games were in Texas, but now the volleyball team won’t be going to Miami and Virginia.

And yes, there is a Whataburger in Stephensville.
 
Stephenville Texas is a Geographic player? It’s a tiny town. Do they even have a Whataburger?

It’s really kinda off the beaten path. I don’t know what it brings.

The point is there are not alot of options when adding a full member. And the PAC and MW need full members. It’s the only reason UTEP got invited. They are desperate.

When UTEP was in the WAC with Hawaii, they would fly to Los Angeles, spend the night there, then fly to Hawaii, play and get back on the plane. Hawaii would have like 6-8 game road trips.

Hawaii isn’t ideal but I would be Delaware isn’t much cheaper
 
Stephenville Texas is a Geographic player? It’s a tiny town. Do they even have a Whataburger?

It’s really kinda off the beaten path. I don’t know what it brings.
They do
2820 W Washington St, Stephenville, TX 76401


Brings cheap travel costs and if, as others have alluded to, have "deep pockets" than their average alumni don't mind paying more to get where they need to be...unlike most UTEP alums


Also, not in a bad spot to recruit
 
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Stephenville Texas is a Geographic player? It’s a tiny town. Do they even have a Whataburger?

It’s really kinda off the beaten path. I don’t know what it brings.

The point is there are not alot of options when adding a full member. And the PAC and MW need full members. It’s the only reason UTEP got invited. They are desperate.

When UTEP was in the WAC with Hawaii, they would fly to Los Angeles, spend the night there, then fly to Hawaii, play and get back on the plane. Hawaii would have like 6-8 game road trips.

Hawaii isn’t ideal but I would be Delaware isn’t much cheaper
This sounds like every other school when describing El Paso and UTEP.
 
Two things - the MW/PAC need to hit 8 FBS members by 2026 and FCS schools getting called up will not count toward that number as they will not be fully transitioned until 2027. They need an already FBS or already in transition school

Second, the MW requires 3/4 of the member schools to agree to membership changes - it isn’t just UNM keeping NMSU out of the MW
 
In the end, if NMSU is the fallback option, the MWC will add them, UNM be damned. This is about survival, and everyone in the conference has an interest in keeping the league alive.
 
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Two things - the MW/PAC need to hit 8 FBS members by 2026 and FCS schools getting called up will not count toward that number as they will not be fully transitioned until 2027. They need an already FBS or already in transition school

Second, the MW requires 3/4 of the member schools to agree to membership changes - it isn’t just UNM keeping NMSU out of the MW
If I was UNM I would stop been childish and wouldn't mind inviting NMSU. MWC should invite NMSU before PAC does. Then after that you could think about Northern Illinois, Southern etc
 
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PAC isn’t going to convince the AAC schools to go west. They know they’ll be targets for when the ACC needs teams.


Idk it’s gonna suck if we could have waited shit out and forced our way into the PAC.
You never know what's gonna happen in the future, you gotta make your moves when the opportunity presents it self
 
You never know what's gonna happen in the future, you gotta make your moves when the opportunity presents it self


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Two things - the MW/PAC need to hit 8 FBS members by 2026 and FCS schools getting called up will not count toward that number as they will not be fully transitioned until 2027. They need an already FBS or already in transition school

Second, the MW requires 3/4 of the member schools to agree to membership changes - it isn’t just UNM keeping NMSU out of the MW
From UTEP's perspective, adding NMSU has no value, and can actually be seen as a negative. Obviously, adding NMSU would be redundant in terms of tv market, so there is little to no financial value there. In addition, having another school so closely located and in the same league, doesn't help in the area of recruiting. If you're UTEP, you want to have the competitive edge by being in a better conference in order to have an advantage in recruiting against NMSU. UTEP and UNM can be travel partners in the MWC, as they were when they shared the same league. The rivalry games with NMSU can still happen, just as they did when they were not in the same conference. Getting another team in Texas is important for UTEP because the majority of their football recruiting will still be based in Texas. All that said, the options are obviously very limited, but I could see MWC adding a school like SHSU or LAT before NMSU.
 
Idk it’s gonna suck if we could have waited shit out and forced our way into the PAC.
UTEP hasn’t been able to compete in CUSA, and will likely have a tough time in the MWC. They would be killed in the PAC. These guys aren’t adding Sac St, NMSU, or UTEP. They don’t want teams worse than UNM, Nevada, or SJSU. They coulda had those guys if they wanted them.
 
Just asking…. Would adding W. Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and or La Tech be a bad or good move for MWC. Two established FBS teams that aren’t terrible in Football or Basketball most years. I mean if you were considering N. Illinois and Toledo for Football only. Besides the old MWC rivals those 3 teams I consider new generation rivals of Utep in a way.
 
If you're UTEP, you want to have the competitive edge by being in a better conference in order to have an advantage in recruiting against NMSU.
How did that work out for UTEP when NMSU was in the WAC all those years? NMSU has been to 8 NCAA tournaments since UTEP last went.

NMSU went to the CUSA conference championship in football in their first year, while UTEP hasn’t been ever, 19 years.
 
UTEP hasn’t been able to compete in CUSA, and will likely have a tough time in the MWC. They would be killed in the PAC. These guys aren’t adding Sac St, NMSU, or UTEP. They don’t want teams worse than UNM, Nevada, or SJSU. They coulda had those guys if they wanted them.
Talking out yo ass again. Just because we sucked in cusa it has zero to do with moving forward. A lot of variables. We will succeed. Bookmark it
 
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Just asking…. Would adding W. Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and or La Tech be a bad or good move for MWC. Two established FBS teams that aren’t terrible in Football or Basketball most years. I mean if you were considering N. Illinois and Toledo for Football only. Besides the old MWC rivals those 3 teams I consider new generation rivals of Utep in a way.
I would be fine adding LaTech with Louisiana or Arkansas St. That’s as far east as I would go.
 
Just asking…. Would adding W. Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and or La Tech be a bad or good move for MWC. Two established FBS teams that aren’t terrible in Football or Basketball most years. I mean if you were considering N. Illinois and Toledo for Football only. Besides the old MWC rivals those 3 teams I consider new generation rivals of Utep in a way.

As far as I can tell their moves are about 2 things -- media markets and recruiting grounds. On the basis of those two things, which wins -- the MAC schools or the CUSA schools you mention?
 
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As far as I can tell their moves are about 2 things -- media markets and recruiting grounds. On the basis of those two things, which wins -- the MAC schools or the CUSA schools you mention?
I feel like W. Kentucky has a Basketball name and history and Football is decent, but market and recruiting ground wouldn’t move the needle. Middle Tennessee is just an established FBS nothing more and La Tech and or Louisiana get you Louisiana which os pretty darn good for recruiting, but again not a tv market.
 
I feel like W. Kentucky has a Basketball name and history and Football is decent, but market and recruiting ground wouldn’t move the needle. Middle Tennessee is just an established FBS nothing more and La Tech and or Louisiana get you Louisiana which os pretty darn good for recruiting, but again not a tv market.

Agree. At the end of the day, beggars can't be choosers. But Ohio and N. Illinios definitely have an edge in media coverage and recruiting in my head, which is why they went after them. So even if they were not interested, that tells me what is going on in the head of the MWC.
 
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