In 2026, both the MWC and PAC have theoretical numbers. I'm sure the PAC will end up with better numbers.
Pac12 not dead?
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Yep, the scorched earth option. Personally, my dream scenario would be for UTEP get invited to the MWC which would be purely out of survival for that league. As a result, UTEP would get a cut of the war chest. Then UNM keeps NMSU out, and invites SHSU (or other CUSA schools). Being a full on Aggie hater, it bugs me to now be considered tied to the hip with those guys. 😀
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I doubt there is actually a way to resolve the MWC. From what I have seen, their (MWC) bylaws state that once you announce you are leaving, you no longer have a vote in conference matters. As an example, why would the schools that left the PAC12 initially not all get together and vote to dissolve the PAC?
Is MWC dissolution coming? UNLV now holds keys to future in fight between Pac-12 and Mountain West
The Pac-12’s rebuilding effort could, ultimately, result in the destruction of its sister conference if UNLV accepts its offer to join.
sports.yahoo.com
I guess I’m not the only one thinking it.
It’s for the lawyers to decide what the language actually states. That’s why the Pac 12 is still a conference. Makes no sense for schools leaving to have the ability to decide to dissolve their past conference.
That 9 out of 12 bylaw is looking very shaky right around now. But as mentioned, that would be up to the courts similar to the PAC 😳
Is MWC dissolution coming? UNLV now holds keys to future in fight between Pac-12 and Mountain West
The Pac-12’s rebuilding effort could, ultimately, result in the destruction of its sister conference if UNLV accepts its offer to join.
I guess I’m not the only one thinking it.
The MWC isn't going anywhere. The remaining schools will do exactly what Wazzu and OSU did to the defecting PAC schools...make a lot of money from the exit fees and rebuild the conference. They are not going to leave that kind of cash behind.
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MW announces Southern Utah, NAU, Sacramento St and Las Cruces high as the new members!
That’s the way I feel. Too much money to not at least attempt to revive it. Though the Pac 2 had a lot more options than the MWC will have.
They can use that war chest to help all the fcs invites build fbs facilities.
The school that should be most worried is Hawai'i. They look like the one school that could get stranded. UTEP has no choice but to wait. Its too early to jump on the MW. The PAC12 should be where UTEP aspires to be and now is the time to go all in and get into the PAC12.
Unfortunately, UTEP is UTEP.
All in is going to require next level of commitment, a comprehensive athletic vision, a community partnership, (and yes Fili, the Sun Bowl Game), and creative fundraising (Student fees?).
Unfortunately, UTEP is UTEP.
All in is going to require next level of commitment, a comprehensive athletic vision, a community partnership, (and yes Fili, the Sun Bowl Game), and creative fundraising (Student fees?).
The war chest wouldn’t even come close to building Southwest University Park now.
I’ve asked chat gpt to help out senter with a power point presentation. Here’s what it came up with.
**Slide 1: Title**
"UTEP to the PAC-12: The Ultimate Underdog Advantage"
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**Slide 2: Introduction**
"Every great conference needs balance, and what's balance without a rock-bottom foundation? Enter UTEP."
*Subtitle: Why shoot for the moon when you can solidify the ground floor?*
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**Slide 3: Boost Your Wins**
"Let’s be honest: you need us."
- **Win guarantees**: Imagine your fan base celebrating that extra W every season.
- **Player morale**: Nothing boosts team spirit like a UTEP matchup.
- **Bowl eligibility**: UTEP – your secret weapon to hit six wins.
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**Slide 4: Historic Performance**
"Consistency is key, and we've perfected it."
- A tradition of finishing near the bottom. Why break what works?
- Longest streak of not *accidentally* upsetting anyone important.
- Proven to elevate other programs' records, year after year.
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**Slide 5: Expanding Your Reach**
"Not just bottom dwellers, but geographic innovators."
- Reach into El Paso: A thriving fan base that loves football… no matter the score.
- PAC-12’s reach? From the Pacific to… almost Mexico!
- TV ratings spike as viewers watch your team light up the scoreboard against us.
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**Slide 6: Financial Simplicity**
"No need to worry about overpaying for another powerhouse."
- Low-cost membership: We know our place and our price.
- Minimal investment, maximum scheduling benefits.
- Travel to El Paso: It's like a field trip to a desert paradise, where victory awaits.
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**Slide 7: Final Pitch**
"Let’s face it: every conference needs a hero. But you also need us. The perennial underdog that reminds everyone else just how good they have it."
*UTEP: Your guaranteed win. Your conference's humble foundation.*
Hawaii and Wyoming, yeah.
UTEP athletics is not their biggest deterrent. It’s El Paso. SMU never won anything since their death penalty. They’re in the ACC because of their location. Rice is in the AAC because of Houston. Not because of their sports performance.
And now the PAC 12 is suing the Mountain West. Just getting ridiculous now.
How terrible do we have to be? With all the connections UTEP has—Sun Bowl, Wilson, and AD @ Boise, and with how desperate the PAC is….how terrible do we have to be to not even get a sniff?!
That’s how bad Stull and Kugler set the program back after the momentum we had with Price.
That’s how bad Stull and Kugler set the program back after the momentum we had with Price.
Looks like the war chest is gonna be used up on attorney fees.
As insane as that sounds, would be fitting for Senter to fall backwards into a win and for UTEP to still NOT be in the MWC...
No, but he can say...."In adding UTEP to the conference, we can guarantee all of your conference members 1 additional win per year in FB and up to 2 wins in bb." That's gotta be alluring to some of the middle of the road programs in the MWC, which happens to be almost all of them.
What can Senter do? Is he going to call the MWC and say “We’ve got an 0-4 football team and a basketball program that hasn’t made the NCAA Tournament in 14 years! When are you sending the contracts?”
It’s far from over, but cusa isn’t looking too bad right now.
Is it even possible to get less of an ROI from the $41M/year investment than UTEP athletics? 😀
Maybe right now, but realize that there's further realignment on the horizon for the East side of college athletics. Guess who probably will get raided again and will have to resort to more FCS call ups? If you're not overjoyed with Jax St. and Kennesaw St., then you're probably not going to be happy with those call ups either.
Granted, it might also affect the MW as well.
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"Bowl eligibility**: UTEP – your secret weapon to hit six wins."
UTEP is the gift that always gives.
UTEP to the new PAC-12 isn’t out of the question. After all, every conference needs a door mat. 🤡
Sorry, but if they don’t want UNM, they definitely do not want UTEP.
Pac-12 fighting 'poaching penalty' with lawsuit
The rebuilding Pac-12 Conference filed a lawsuit in federal court on Tuesday challenging the legality of a "poaching penalty" included in a football scheduling agreement between it and the Mountain West Conference signed in December.
Seems to me that there is alot of ego's involved and alot of "we have to survive" going on.
The PAC12 is promising a better deals than the MW when its basically the same conference. Now that the lawsuits are involved, its becoming personal. The MW is trying everything to not die.
The only value UTEP brings over UNM is the exit fees.
As of today, the Mountain West is not a Conference at 7 teams but neither is the PAC12.
And Kugler had the nerve to say he inherited a dumpster fire. That man scorched the earth and then threw salt on the charred remains.
LC vs Mayfield rivalry has that ground breaking documentary UTEP doesn't have.🙄
The comments are getting ridiculous along with the lawsuits.
The way the OSU and WSU backstabbed the MWC reminds me of the parable I learned in elementary school.
The Old Lady and the Snake 🐍
An old woman was walking down the road when she saw a gang of thugs beating a poisonous snake. She rescued the snake and carried it back to her home, where she nursed it back to health. They became friends and lived together for many months. One day they were going into town and the old woman picked him up and the snake bit her. Repeatedly. "O God," she screamed, "I am dying! Why? I was your friend. I saved your life! I trusted you! Why did you bite me?"
The snake looked up at her and said, "Lady, you knew I was a snake when you first picked me up."
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People…. Please understand for the 100th time Senter Does Not Make the Decision to have Utep Leave the Conference. He will be told what to do by the University President. If you want to be upset at Senter’s hires or raising money for Athletics or something like that, cool, but stop saying Senter should be on the phone with MWC or PAC 12, that’s not how it works!
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All I know is Utep needs to do something drastic to have a chance to become relevant again
He doesn’t have the DECISION but he does influence the Decision
