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Well, a lot on the "left" want to give health care to all(as a right) that in of its self is a 1000 times more than the right is willing to do in regards of mental health. Both sides are not equal, yet one side always claims the mantle of "family values". What does that mean? God guns and my way or the highway?
 
NRA board was overthrown with hard right faction. The history was reflected more deeply during Obama years. My old man bought into it and proudly put on his bumper the infamous "If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns" that was born out of that coup.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...hin-national-rifle-association-led/404628002/
Ok so in the past the NRA was willing to support stricter gun laws even supported banning some weapons. But the militant element took over the NRA which became a partisan political wing of the far right. OK, thanks.
 
Dude...well put. I worked in the MH field, front lines, for 10 years. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but Big Pharma is an evil entity. Those with mental health issues are among their easiest targets. The drugs provided rarely help anyone, and in most cases exacerbate it. They keep a person numb enough, or just far enough removed from the problem, from an emotional standpoint, to actually work on it and heal from it. Worst case scenario, like you said, the remaining traces of human empathy are clouded over and once that occurs, anything can happen from there.

Yup. I've heard first hand the experiences of these drugs by people who were mentally competent, but who were just looking for something to help them through ther normal grind of life I guess.

This isn't an issue that needs to be politicized. It needs to be studied, analyzed, and addressed in an honest and objective way.

To blame guns, the NRA, or conservatives for mass shootings is simply ridiculous. It's regurgitating a political party's talking point... and doing so without putting any meaningful thought into anssue that needs a whole lot more meaningful thought...
 
Well, a lot on the "left" want to give health care to all(as a right) that in of its self is a 1000 times more than the right is willing to do in regards of mental health. Both sides are not equal, yet one side always claims the mantle of "family values". What does that mean? God guns and my way or the highway?

the problem with the left, is that they love to tell you all the free things they want to give you, without telling you the one simple truth... nothing is free. That goes triple for healthcare. Actually, that goes 1000x for healthcare. And the price always goes up when money is backed/ guaranteed by the gov't. Or, better yet, guaranteed by you... the taxpayer.
 
the problem with the left, is that they love to tell you all the free things they want to give you, without telling you the one simple truth... nothing is free. That goes triple for healthcare. Actually, that goes 1000x for healthcare. And the price always goes up when money is backed/ guaranteed by the gov't. Or, better yet, guaranteed by you... the taxpayer.
Nobody said it's free, it's a reallocation of resources for the masses(We the people) plenty of countries run successful single-payer health care systems. Now if we could only get our dicks out of other countries asses(military intervention) and worry about The United States of America.
 
the problem with the left, is that they love to tell you all the free things they want to give you, without telling you the one simple truth... nothing is free. That goes triple for healthcare. Actually, that goes 1000x for healthcare. And the price always goes up when money is backed/ guaranteed by the gov't. Or, better yet, guaranteed by you... the taxpayer.
I thought there was a truce?
 
the problem with the left, is that they love to tell you all the free things they want to give you, without telling you the one simple truth... nothing is free. That goes triple for healthcare. Actually, that goes 1000x for healthcare. And the price always goes up when money is backed/ guaranteed by the gov't. Or, better yet, guaranteed by you... the taxpayer.
Dude, everyone knows it's not free. It's just how you pay, who you pay, when you pay would be different.

I would rather pay upfront, know how much things cost and not pay a middle man. Our current healthcare system under performs in comparison to other countries .we spend more, have lower life expectancies, higher infant mortality rates. My theory is because there are a few thousand people who get really wealthy when they get to gauge people. That those people pay our politicians and sponsor our media. Healthcare is not a product, it shouldn't be treated as such.
 
I liked Joe Rogan's quote on this

Most of these mass killers are on SSRI's or similar mood stabilizers. Maybe we should be asking what exactly happens to SOME people (who already have mental issues) when they are put on medications that can literally impact and remove their sense of feeling and empathy. What happens when a severely depressed person loses that sense of empathy..... that little voice inside their head that prevents them from truly jumping off the deep end?
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Now here's a thought that hadn't crossed my mind. While I truly believe people with mental health issues are the biggest threat, I hadn't given much thought as to why all of a sudden they were shooting up the country. Mainly because like "most" Americans, it hasn't effected me.

Very nicely put, dude.
 
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I thought there was a truce?

truce? There was never a "war". It's just a really big pet peeve I have with the Democrats positioning lately on issues like healthcare, college, etc.

Our gov't is the epitome of inefficiency. Therefore, I'm extremely skeptical of an inefficient government's promise to properly run and fund programs that have astronomical costs. It's disingenuous at best. It's selling a bill of goods to people who don't understand the true complications of how this would actually work, or how it would be continuously funded. These are merely taking points that really a base, but have no substance to back it up, because in reality, almost no politician has the knowledge necessary to understand the implementation of something so complex...

. I won't even get into how ridiculous the idea of "redistributing wealth" is, other than to say it's an unrealistic pipe dream. The minute you tell someone that you're redistributing the extra money they've made, is the minute they either move their wealth elsewhere, or lose the incentive to make that wealth in the first place. that's just how humans work...
 
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truce? There was never a "war". It's just a really big pet peeve I have with the Democrats positioning lately on issues like healthcare, college, etc.

Our gov't is the epitome of inefficiency. Therefore, I'm extremely skeptical of an inefficient government's promise to properly run and fund programs that have astronomical costs. It's disingenuous at best. It's selling a bill of goods to people who don't understand the true complications of how this would actually work, or how it would be continuously funded. These are merely taking points that really a base, but have no substance to back it up, because in reality, almost no politician has the knowledge necessary to understand the implementation of something so complex...

. I won't even get into how ridiculous the idea of "redistributing wealth" is, other than to say it's an unrealistic pipe dream. The minute you tell someone that you're redistributing the extra money they've made, is the minute they either move their wealth elsewhere, or lose the incentive to make that wealth in the first place. that's just how humans work...

I couldn't have said it better, cuz like I can't say it better. I speak like a barfly and you speak like an intelligent man. We have the same thoughts though....
 
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Nobody said it's free, it's a reallocation of resources for the masses(We the people) plenty of countries run successful single-payer health care systems. Now if we could only get our dicks out of other countries asses(military intervention) and worry about The United States of America.
Reallocation of resources, my ass. I’ll be all for that when everyone pulls their own weight. Im not saying everyone has the same abilities. However working with the public I see too many people want to sit on their ass and have everything handed to them.
Unfortunately mental health is a problem we haven’t learned how to solve, and probably haven’t really tried.
 
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truce? There was never a "war". It's just a really big pet peeve I have with the Democrats positioning lately on issues like healthcare, college, etc.

Our gov't is the epitome of inefficiency. Therefore, I'm extremely skeptical of an inefficient government's promise to properly run and fund programs that have astronomical costs. It's disingenuous at best. It's selling a bill of goods to people who don't understand the true complications of how this would actually work, or how it would be continuously funded. These are merely taking points that really a base, but have no substance to back it up, because in reality, almost no politician has the knowledge necessary to understand the implementation of something so complex...

. I won't even get into how ridiculous the idea of "redistributing wealth" is, other than to say it's an unrealistic pipe dream. The minute you tell someone that you're redistributing the extra money they've made, is the minute they either move their wealth elsewhere, or lose the incentive to make that wealth in the first place. that's just how humans work...

I understand different people have different abilities, work ethics, and luck. There should be a wealth discrepancy and that's only right. People who are good enough, talented enough, and lucky enough, should buy Lamborghinis if they have the funds.

I think only the farthest and most radical want anything close to the European model which still has a ton of free enterprise.

I would say, I'm a capitalist. I just want better "rules of the road". I want reforms. Reforms, I think, most people would agree with, but very soon the leftist, socialist labels start being thrown around.

For example, the price gauging in medicine is crazy. A poster said something like his eye drops cost 200 bucks over here and 30 bucks in Juarez. That's not right.

That's a company taking advantage of the fact that someone needs a medicine. That economic concept is called price elasticity. Basically, that you're willing to pay whatever if your health depends on it. If McDonald's doubles their price tomorrow, you say forget it .If your heart medicine costs twice as much tomorrow, you suck it up and make sacrifices. What's a more fair price for the eye drops like 75-100?

In other countries you know what stuff costs you. Broken arm? That's like 50-80 bucks. Having a baby? 400-600 bucks. Here it's a crapshoot. Its confusing because the billers want it to be that way. Again not right.

White Collar Crime is no big deal in this country. I think a guy who runs a pyramid scheme should be punished just a hard as a guy who broke into a house when he knew the owners wouldn't br home.
 
Exactly. That's what I meant, a guy who steals millions of dollars is treated better than a guy who steals hundreds of dollars.
Iceland upended their entire banking industry and sent several of their worst offenders to jail. They didn't bail out their banks and most of them went belly up. They invested in their people instead of their banks and now the country is thriving. Of course Iceland is a tempest in a tea cup but they did it.
 
truce? There was never a "war". It's just a really big pet peeve I have with the Democrats positioning lately on issues like healthcare, college, etc.

Our gov't is the epitome of inefficiency. Therefore, I'm extremely skeptical of an inefficient government's promise to properly run and fund programs that have astronomical costs. It's disingenuous at best. It's selling a bill of goods to people who don't understand the true complications of how this would actually work, or how it would be continuously funded. These are merely taking points that really a base, but have no substance to back it up, because in reality, almost no politician has the knowledge necessary to understand the implementation of something so complex...

. I won't even get into how ridiculous the idea of "redistributing wealth" is, other than to say it's an unrealistic pipe dream. The minute you tell someone that you're redistributing the extra money they've made, is the minute they either move their wealth elsewhere, or lose the incentive to make that wealth in the first place. that's just how humans work...
USAFfan...you're adding nothing to this pretty good discussion by regurgitating FoxNews talking points. Unlock your mind and remember that the search for truth starts with scepticism. And for you it should be all about consuming other avenues of media other than Rightwing propaganda. Do it! You'll be happier.
 
USAFfan...you're adding nothing to this pretty good discussion by regurgitating FoxNews talking points. Unlock your mind and remember that the search for truth starts with scepticism. And for you it should be all about consuming other avenues of media other than Rightwing propaganda. Do it! You'll be happier.
That is right USAF. You need to be watching MSNBC. the Democrats version of Fox News, for the truth:rolleyes:. Damn, these hardcore democrats and republicans are ruining this country.
 
That is right USAF. You need to be watching MSNBC. the Democrats version of Fox News, for the truth:rolleyes:. Damn, these hardcore democrats and republicans are ruining this country.
Ummmm….MSNBC is now full of GOP Bush family dynasty conservatives. Some have their own shows and I don't just mean "Morning Joe".
 
Ummmm….MSNBC is now full of GOP Bush family dynasty conservatives. Some have their own shows and I don't just mean "Morning Joe".
Haha this is exactly why I find hardcore republicans and democrats so comical. Everything is "nooo it is not" from the other side when talking about politics.I am not a republican nor a democrat. I always have an open mind when I view political candidates. I will vote for a republican or democrat if I feel they are genuinely in politics to better the american people not themselves. And this is why I have rarely voted. The Democratic party, Republican party, and lobbyists are eventually going to destroy this country.
 
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I understand different people have different abilities, work ethics, and luck. There should be a wealth discrepancy and that's only right. People who are good enough, talented enough, and lucky enough, should buy Lamborghinis if they have the funds.

I think only the farthest and most radical want anything close to the European model which still has a ton of free enterprise.

I would say, I'm a capitalist. I just want better "rules of the road". I want reforms. Reforms, I think, most people would agree with, but very soon the leftist, socialist labels start being thrown around.

For example, the price gauging in medicine is crazy. A poster said something like his eye drops cost 200 bucks over here and 30 bucks in Juarez. That's not right.

That's a company taking advantage of the fact that someone needs a medicine. That economic concept is called price elasticity. Basically, that you're willing to pay whatever if your health depends on it. If McDonald's doubles their price tomorrow, you say forget it .If your heart medicine costs twice as much tomorrow, you suck it up and make sacrifices. What's a more fair price for the eye drops like 75-100?

In other countries you know what stuff costs you. Broken arm? That's like 50-80 bucks. Having a baby? 400-600 bucks. Here it's a crapshoot. Its confusing because the billers want it to be that way. Again not right.

White Collar Crime is no big deal in this country. I think a guy who runs a pyramid scheme should be punished just a hard as a guy who broke into a house when he knew the owners wouldn't br home.

That was well said, too.
 
I understand different people have different abilities, work ethics, and luck. There should be a wealth discrepancy and that's only right. People who are good enough, talented enough, and lucky enough, should buy Lamborghinis if they have the funds.

I think only the farthest and most radical want anything close to the European model which still has a ton of free enterprise.

I would say, I'm a capitalist. I just want better "rules of the road". I want reforms. Reforms, I think, most people would agree with, but very soon the leftist, socialist labels start being thrown around.

For example, the price gauging in medicine is crazy. A poster said something like his eye drops cost 200 bucks over here and 30 bucks in Juarez. That's not right.

That's a company taking advantage of the fact that someone needs a medicine. That economic concept is called price elasticity. Basically, that you're willing to pay whatever if your health depends on it. If McDonald's doubles their price tomorrow, you say forget it .If your heart medicine costs twice as much tomorrow, you suck it up and make sacrifices. What's a more fair price for the eye drops like 75-100?

In other countries you know what stuff costs you. Broken arm? That's like 50-80 bucks. Having a baby? 400-600 bucks. Here it's a crapshoot. Its confusing because the billers want it to be that way. Again not right.

White Collar Crime is no big deal in this country. I think a guy who runs a pyramid scheme should be punished just a hard as a guy who broke into a house when he knew the owners wouldn't br home.

I'm not going to disagree with your points.

My argument is that gov't control is not the answer. Mandates and regulations aimed at improving the system are one thing, but allowing a corrupt, inefficient gov't to have complete oversight and control over our health is just unwise. Our politicians are loyal to their big time donors, not their constituents. That's a bad combo when it comes to managing health. Look no further than the AHCA to see what I mean...
 
USAFfan...you're adding nothing to this pretty good discussion by regurgitating FoxNews talking points. Unlock your mind and remember that the search for truth starts with scepticism. And for you it should be all about consuming other avenues of media other than Rightwing propaganda. Do it! You'll be happier.


uhhhh.... huh? Maybe you can explain what fox news talking points you're referring to, because I can't say I've watched more than 5min of fox news in the last 10yrs, and probably not a whole lot more than that in my entire lifetime...

Being "skeptical" is what I do. I don't give a rat's arse whether an opinion or policy comes from ther left, right, or whomever. I tend to break the argument down and try to find truth or legitimacy to a particular position.

But, perhaps that's why I seem "right wing" with this argument. At this point in time, I have a huge issue with this "new" Democrat ideology of promising "free" services or making things more "equal". There is no such thing as free or equal. We humans are inherently unequal. It's an easy selling point, however, to much of their younger/suggestible voter base, who vote mostly on emotional attachment to a particular idea, rather than its feasibility....
 
For example, the price gauging in medicine is crazy. A poster said something like his eye drops cost 200 bucks over here and 30 bucks in Juarez. That's not right.

That's a company taking advantage of the fact that someone needs a medicine. That economic concept is called price elasticity. Basically, that you're willing to pay whatever if your health depends on it. If McDonald's doubles their price tomorrow, you say forget it .If your heart medicine costs twice as much tomorrow, you suck it up and make sacrifices. What's a more fair price for the eye drops like 75-100?

These medicines also have significant research and development costs (including cumbersome FDA approval process), which is why we grant patents for these companies to recover their costs and turn a profit. If they can't recover their costs on these drugs, then they wouldn't develop these drugs in the first place. It is an essential aspect of innovation and scientific advancement.

Alas, there are a couple of problems. One major problem is that other countries negotiate much lower prices for these medications. Why can they do this? Because they do not respect our patents, so if the drug company doesn't agree to a much lower price, they threaten to issue "compulsory licenses" to allow another manufacturer to produce the drug instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_license

So they can either agree to sell in that country at a much reduced price ("something is better than nothing") or else the country will essentially steal their patent and have somebody else produce the drug. It is disgusting that other countries are able to freeload off the American innovation and R&D and then basically threaten these companies at gunpoint. If we were to institute price controls like these other countries, then it would no longer be profitable to develop new drugs because there would be no way to recover the R&D costs. But of course I agree that the American prices are way too high, but at the same time the prices in the rest of the world are too low. It's a conundrum. I'm open to all sorts of ideas but I would not support price controls (I never support price controls).

The other problem is that in our healthcare system the cost of care is largely paid by a third party (health insurance) instead of the consumers. In such an arrangement the market rules of supply and demand don't work so well; the consumers have little downward pressure on their demand (because, after all, if it's covered by insurance, then let's do it) nor do the providers have much incentive to keep the costs down (because, after all, we'll just bill the insurance). Oh, and on top of this, most people don't pay for their insurance directly; it is instead paid by their employer. And this surging demand drives the costs ever upward, and prescription drugs are certainly a part of that.
 
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Speaking of R&D, one of my biggest issues with pharmaceutical companies is their reliance on creating drugs to combat nonexistent medical issues. They've literally created drugs to combat bogus medical conditions. I think the whole "restless leg syndrome" is a prime example.

Then, they wine and dine physicians and create monetary incentives for those physicians to prescribe their meds, and provide bogus medical research data to support the drugs necessity.

It's one of the great flaws in a capitalist driven economy, unfortunately. It facilitates, and essentially forces this impossible idea of infinite growth/expansion and profitability.

Alas, there is no perfect system. But, at the end of the day, it's impossible to provide a perfect system to imperfect beings...
 
These medicines also have significant research and development costs (including cumbersome FDA approval process), which is why we grant patents for these companies to recover their costs and turn a profit. If they can't recover their costs on these drugs, then they wouldn't develop these drugs in the first place. It is an essential aspect of innovation and scientific advancement.

Alas, there are a couple of problems. One major problem is that other countries negotiate much lower prices for these medications. Why can they do this? Because they do not respect our patents, so if the drug company doesn't agree to a much lower price, they threaten to issue "compulsory licenses" to allow another manufacturer to produce the drug instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_license

So they can either agree to sell in that country at a much reduced price ("something is better than nothing") or else the country will essentially steal their patent and have somebody else produce the drug. It is disgusting that other countries are able to freeload off the American innovation and R&D and then basically threaten these companies at gunpoint. If we were to institute price controls like these other countries, then it would no longer be profitable to develop new drugs because there would be no way to recover the R&D costs. But of course I agree that the American prices are way too high, but at the same time the prices in the rest of the world are too low. It's a conundrum. I'm open to all sorts of ideas but I would not support price controls (I never support price controls).

The other problem is that in our healthcare system the cost of care is largely paid by a third party (health insurance) instead of the consumers. In such an arrangement the market rules of supply and demand don't work so well; the consumers have little downward pressure on their demand (because, after all, if it's covered by insurance, then let's do it) nor do the providers have much incentive to keep the costs down (because, after all, we'll just bill the insurance). Oh, and on top of this, most people don't pay for their insurance directly; it is instead paid by their employer. And this surging demand drives the costs ever upward, and prescription drugs are certainly a part of that.
Everyone knows that Americans pay high prices for drugs. But there is more to this story. The taxpayer not only shells out at the pharmacy but often plays a critical role in funding these drugs in the first place. In other words, the public pays twice.

Although the pharmaceutical industry justifies routine overcharging by pointing to the huge, and uncertain, costs of research, the truth is that the government historically took, and continues to take, the greatest risks.

Since the 1930s, the National Institutes of Health has invested close to $900 billion in the basic and applied research that formed both the pharmaceutical and biotechnology sectors, with private companies only getting seriously into the biotech game in the 1980s.

Big Pharma, while of course contributing to innovation, has increasingly decommitted itself from the high-risk side of research and development, often letting small biotech companies and the NIH do most of the hard work. Indeed, roughly 75% of so-called new molecular entities with priority rating (the most innovative drugs) trace their existence to NIH funding, while companies spend more on "me too" drugs (slight variations of existing ones.)

But if Big Pharma is not committed to research, what is it doing? First, it is well known that Big Pharma spends more on marketing than on R&D. Less well known is how much it also spends on making its shareholders rich. Pharmaceutical companies, which have become increasingly "financialized," distribute profits to shareholders through dividends and share buybacks designed to boost stock prices and executive pay.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1027-mazzucato-big-pharma-prices-20151027-story.html
 
Everyone knows that Americans pay high prices for drugs. But there is more to this story. The taxpayer not only shells out at the pharmacy but often plays a critical role in funding these drugs in the first place. In other words, the public pays twice.

Although the pharmaceutical industry justifies routine overcharging by pointing to the huge, and uncertain, costs of research, the truth is that the government historically took, and continues to take, the greatest risks.

Since the 1930s, the National Institutes of Health has invested close to $900 billion in the basic and applied research that formed both the pharmaceutical and biotechnology sectors, with private companies only getting seriously into the biotech game in the 1980s.

Big Pharma, while of course contributing to innovation, has increasingly decommitted itself from the high-risk side of research and development, often letting small biotech companies and the NIH do most of the hard work. Indeed, roughly 75% of so-called new molecular entities with priority rating (the most innovative drugs) trace their existence to NIH funding, while companies spend more on "me too" drugs (slight variations of existing ones.)

But if Big Pharma is not committed to research, what is it doing? First, it is well known that Big Pharma spends more on marketing than on R&D. Less well known is how much it also spends on making its shareholders rich. Pharmaceutical companies, which have become increasingly "financialized," distribute profits to shareholders through dividends and share buybacks designed to boost stock prices and executive pay.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1027-mazzucato-big-pharma-prices-20151027-story.html
If the opinion piece you pasted is trying to say that taxpayers pay more for drug development through the NIH than the drug companies, that's pretty misleading.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnla...rma-rd-investments-moderating-but-still-high/

"While disappointing, it is important to put these numbers into perspective. According to EvaluatePharma, in 2017 the top 20 pharmaceutical companies invested 20.9% of top line revenues into R&D - a very impressive number. This amounted to $97.2 billion in 2017. For comparison purposes, the NIH budget is $37 billion. In 2024, EvaluatePharma is projecting that the top 20 companies will be spending $116.4 billion on R&D, 16.9% of sales – still a very high percentage when compared to other industries. The 2024 leaders will be Roche at $11.7B, Johnson & Johnson at $10.0B and Novartis at $9B."

That article I linked is a critical article, mind you, not at all an apologist for Big Pharma, but it gives us the raw numbers that these companies spend way more for R&D than the entire budget of the NIH.

If the government developed all these drugs and treatments all by themselves, then why does Big Pharma own all those patents? (That's what allows them to gouge the American consumer, after all.)
 
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If the opinion piece you pasted is trying to say that taxpayers pay more for drug development through the NIH than the drug companies, that's pretty misleading.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnla...rma-rd-investments-moderating-but-still-high/

"While disappointing, it is important to put these numbers into perspective. According to EvaluatePharma, in 2017 the top 20 pharmaceutical companies invested 20.9% of top line revenues into R&D - a very impressive number. This amounted to $97.2 billion in 2017. For comparison purposes, the NIH budget is $37 billion. In 2024, EvaluatePharma is projecting that the top 20 companies will be spending $116.4 billion on R&D, 16.9% of sales – still a very high percentage when compared to other industries. The 2024 leaders will be Roche at $11.7B, Johnson & Johnson at $10.0B and Novartis at $9B."

That article I linked is a critical article, mind you, not at all an apologist for Big Pharma, but it gives us the raw numbers that these companies spend way more for R&D than the entire budget of the NIH.

If the government developed all these drugs and treatments all by themselves, then why does Big Pharma own all those patents? (That's what allows them to gouge the American consumer, after all.)
This report shows that NIH funding contributed to published research associated with every one of the 210 new drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration from 2010–2016. Collectively, this research involved >200,000 years of grant funding totaling more than $100 billion. The analysis shows that >90% of this funding represents basic research related to the biological targets for drug action rather than the drugs themselves. The role of NIH funding thus complements industry research and development, which focuses predominantly on applied research. This work underscores the breadth and significance of public investment in the development of new therapeutics and the risk that reduced research funding would slow the pipeline for treating morbid disease.

The ongoing public debate concerning budget allocations for the NIH and the propriety of pharmaceutical pricing has raised questions about the roles of the public and private sectors in drug discovery and development. The classic linear model of innovation in drug development posits that basic research, or use-inspired basic research (1), provides a scientific foundation for drug discovery by elucidating mechanisms of disease and strategies for therapy, validating drug targets, and, sometimes, identifying prototype compounds (2). This research is funded largely by the public sector, primarily by the government (3), and is performed principally in academic institutions or government laboratories. The insights and intellectual property arising from this basic research are then transferred to the private sector for development.

So the taxpayers get the ball rolling taking the initial risk( the riskiest) then Big Pharma swoops in and develops the research and profits off of the original investment(by taxpayers). Then they charge you an arm and a leg for their(taxpayers) original investment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5878010/
 
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Oliver also mentioned that nine out of 10 big pharmaceutical companies spend more on marketing than on research. ... The biggest spender, Johnson & Johnson, shelled out $17.5 billion on sales and marketing in 2013, compared with $8.2 billion for R&D. In the top 10, only Roche spent more on R&D than on sales and marketing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rketing-than-research/?utm_term=.a60666d2e847
So what? They're still spending a higher percentage of their revenue on R&D than most other industries. It has nothing to do with other countries threatening to use compulsory licenses to negotiate price-controlled prices.

If you want to discuss the propriety of a drug manufacturer, or any other manufacturer, spending money to advertise their product, then fine, but this isn't money that's detracting from R&D. This is money spent to increase their revenue (by increasing demand) and maximize their profit, period.
 
So what? They're still spending a higher percentage of their revenue on R&D than most other industries. It has nothing to do with other countries threatening to use compulsory licenses to negotiate price-controlled prices.

If you want to discuss the propriety of a drug manufacturer, or any other manufacturer, spending money to advertise their product, then fine, but this isn't money that's detracting from R&D. This is money spent to increase their revenue (by increasing demand) and maximize their profit, period.
Exactly why I won't and don't shed a tear for what they spend on R&D.
 
Exactly why I won't and don't shed a tear for what they spend on R&D.
If we imposed price controls so that all drugs were set at Mexico prices, then no amount of marketing would spur enough revenue to make it profitable to bring a new drug to market. It costs $2.6 billion (in 2014 dollars) to bring a new drug to market, before any marketing costs.

https://csdd.tufts.edu/csddnews/2018/3/9/march-2016-tufts-csdd-rd-cost-study
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...8d46b001a996d6/1522952924498/pr-coststudy.pdf
 
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I understand different people have different abilities, work ethics, and luck. There should be a wealth discrepancy and that's only right. People who are good enough, talented enough, and lucky enough, should buy Lamborghinis if they have the funds.

I think only the farthest and most radical want anything close to the European model which still has a ton of free enterprise.

I would say, I'm a capitalist. I just want better "rules of the road". I want reforms. Reforms, I think, most people would agree with, but very soon the leftist, socialist labels start being thrown around.

For example, the price gauging in medicine is crazy. A poster said something like his eye drops cost 200 bucks over here and 30 bucks in Juarez. That's not right.

That's a company taking advantage of the fact that someone needs a medicine. That economic concept is called price elasticity. Basically, that you're willing to pay whatever if your health depends on it. If McDonald's doubles their price tomorrow, you say forget it .If your heart medicine costs twice as much tomorrow, you suck it up and make sacrifices. What's a more fair price for the eye drops like 75-100?

In other countries you know what stuff costs you. Broken arm? That's like 50-80 bucks. Having a baby? 400-600 bucks. Here it's a crapshoot. Its confusing because the billers want it to be that way. Again not right.

White Collar Crime is no big deal in this country. I think a guy who runs a pyramid scheme should be punished just a hard as a guy who broke into a house when he knew the owners wouldn't br home.
Agree with all that.
 
Oh yeah, another grade school got shot up today, in Colorado.
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