You’re a fool if you think UTEP is closer to UofA and ASU than Grand Canyon. TCU and SMU are way ahead of UTEP. UTEP’s peers are NMSU, Texas St, UTSA, and Tarleton St. Not TCU, SMU, Houston, and Arizona.
Mississippitoday.org: "It’s past time for radical change in Conference USA"
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You’re a fool if you think UTEP is closer to UofA and ASU than Grand Canyon. TCU and SMU are way ahead of UTEP. UTEP’s peers are NMSU, Texas St, UTSA, and Tarleton St. Not TCU, SMU, Houston, and Arizona.
That may close to correct due to UTEP's self inflicted (bad hires) doldrems but it sure as hell isn't what UTEP settle for or aspire to.
And you’re a fool if you think we should keep taking backward steps. We already got left behind by those programs. They aren’t thinking “hey let’s go back to UTEP and RICE the AAC/Big12/Pac12/Sun Belt is too hard.” Only a loser thinks like that.
Mr. Corona, I agree with you to a large extent but I don't see any of those better schools -- Arizona, ASU, SMU, TCU, Houston, etc. -- coming for us. What do you propose will get us to them? As of now, we've become a Grand Canyon, UTRGV, Tarlton State. How do we fix this?
We win the games on our schedule. NMSU has made 10 straight ncaat and those schools aren’t calling for them either. Winning the WaC8.0 isn’t the way to get their attention.
Smart decision. Falwell would have made CUSA the laughing stock of D1 conferences. This happened today:
"Nearly three dozen black alumni of Liberty University denounced school President Jerry Falwell Jr. on Monday, suggesting he step down after he mocked Virginia’s mask-wearing requirement by invoking the blackface scandal that engulfed the state’s governor last year.
In a letter to Falwell, shared with The Associated Press, 35 faith leaders and former student-athletes told Falwell that his past comments “have repeatedly violated and misrepresented" Christian principles..." pilotonline.com
Back to football. They have money to burn, but that doesn't buy happiness, right Oklahoma State? (Boon Pickins had an open checkbook)
https://utep.forums.rivals.com/thre...al-change-in-conference-usa.9995/#post-146189
Yeah because you’re talking about losing millions and millions of dollars. The difference between CUSA and the WAC ain’t much. The difference between Big 12 and AAC is huge.
Look how good Boise State is. Still in the MWC, still playing San Jose St and New Mexico. The chances that UTEP will have a Boise State type run in football is astronomically low. Even if we somehow managed that, the best we could hope for is the MWC. Why not be a winner in basketball? Make the NCAA Tournament at least a few times a decade. I guess 3 times in 28 years is good enough for fans like you.
Plain and simple we have different upbringings. I was taught to never look back and never quit no matter how hard things are. I would not support a university that quit and took the easy way to be a “winner.”It’s not in my system. Three NCAAT in 28 years is not acceptable but neither is purposely diluting the competition. I’ve seen UTEP be successful in the old WAC against real basketball schools and in CUSA 2.0. I believe they can return to those days without having to take their ball home and go play with the middle school kids.
That's not a solution. That's a result. We've already proven we're incapable to competing in C-USA and nobody else is calling.
Do you have a solution?
Has nothing to do with my upbringing. If you consistently fail, you need to change something or you will keep failing.
If we open taco restaurants right next to each other and you have better prices and service, I need to change something or else I will go out of business. I can stick to my guns and talk about how much better my tacos are, but if you have the customers, what do I really have? If the situation were reversed I guess you would be prideful and watch me kick your ass until you’re broke and out of business.
We need a splash hire in football. Maybe something similar to what we did with Price. Somebody that can instantly bring players, fans and offense. CUSA is weak enough that it can be done. Go straight to the top and then keep the ball rolling by investing, not going backwards. Stull had this chance and botched it.
I think in basketball we are screwed unless we can get lucky and find and keep a good winning coach. We botched that too, but it had more to do with the coaches wanting to leave.
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You invest money. You don't move to the lowest conference in d1 with schools who can't get into the Southland. You set the bar high and you go after it. We're not the only school who has had three abysmal football seasons in a row. UNM lived through the Locksley era. SJSU has been bad the majority of this century. UNLV has a well documented futile football history.
None of those schools contemplated dropping down and joining a conference for transitioning schools. They invested in their programs. They've all invested in their programs increased salaries for their coaches. Tulane has been dogshit for 20 years. They're getting better. But they haven't considered joining the Southland. Rice isnt trying to go to a weaker conference.
Honestly, this dumbest thread ever started on this board. It's either a troll thread or we have some true dumbasses.
You’re the only dumbass on here. You’re the only one who thinks UTSA is more of a rival over NMSU.
LOL. Okay, go watch some classic UTEP vs UTSA games then and let the grown ups talk.
The WAC. LOL. I would respond but Corona already wiped the floor with your bitch ass.
We’re going through a rough patch but we have absolutely competed in CUSA. In our 15 years as a member 8 of them we have finished in the top four. We’ve had a total of five losing seasons with three of them coming in the last four years. Prior to that 15-17 was considered a bad year for us. If your aspirations are to compete with NMSU for the wac title then write a letter to Senter. Let me ask you this. How would you feel if we joined the WAC and NMSU still regularly won the auto bid. What’s next? Drop to D2?
That’s your opinion and everyone on here has already told you your opinion is trash. UTSA lol
Still no solution. Just responding to a question with another question. The usual cheerleader deflection.
Four or five people disagree with my point of view. That's fine it's a message board. People call you a dumbass on every thread. Half the board has you blocked because you're the board dumbass. You make Fili look like a Rhodes Scholar.
They don’t call me a dumbass, it’s usually “Aggy”. Please link every thread in which I am called a dumbass, outside of you calling me one in this thread. I don’t care if I am blocked, the ones that have me blocked are people who don’t want to see UTEP how it really is or have thin skin. CubeJack, miner1liner, and others. I don’t give a ****.
Ask @JCorona if he thinks I am a dumbass and “dumber” than Fili. We disagree a lot, but he and others can tell I am far from dumb. They might disagree with my opinion, and that’s fine. If we all posted the same, the board would be ****ing boring. This is the worst time of the year for a UTEP athletics message board and it’s only been made worse because of COVID and politics.
You make my work day go a lot faster. So I appreciate that. I just busted a 13.5hr shift and it doesn’t feel like it at all.
Ok, this is a partial solution. The problem with this solution is *money*. From where does Senter get the money to pay out fired coaches and bring in the splash hires?
I agree that the solution -- in part -- requires money. So where does a school like UTEP get more money?
So I haven't researched football coaches salaries across C-USA but in a different thread I pointed out that Rodney Terry is the highest paid men's basketball coach in the conference. In this case then, money alone did not solve the problem.
What else needs to be done to turn things around at UTEP?
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Uhhh, you’re welcome?? Though we have pretty much beaten the WAC vs CUSA thing into the ground for awhile.
Yeah, let’s find something else to argue about. Lol.
I love how every school in the south tries to plead it's case to belonging in the SEC... much like fans of every Texas school seem to think they should be in the Big 12.
I was at that little dump of a stadium in Hattiesburg. It's not even on level of the Sun Bowl.
For some reason I see everyone's talking about NMSU. Not sure how they got to hijack this thread but I think i can guess how it started
Terry hasn't shown to be worth his value. Barbee did and we let him go/he left for a higher paying job.
To raise more money we use a student athletic fee while trying to get more donations and direction. Athletic fee could raise millions a year. Also there is a man in EP that could be asked to get involved.
Haven't they been removing seats recently to build suites? Maybe that will help here?
Does UTEP really have enough deep pockets for this? I'm a bit skeptical about this one even though I agree that something like this would help. Even then, and I'm not really sure about this, I don't think that's how coaching money is normally raised. Endowments are normally established to fund educational programs, not athletics.
Some of that is not accounted for as "capital" expense. But anyway...
This last part is really nothing more than marketing and accountability, not a "how to" build winning programs. I'm pretty sure UTEP's athletics department would argue that they already do this.
Please forgive my ignorance but who is the "man in EP that could be asked to get involved"?
If I learned anything while growing up is Aggy is synominus for dumbass
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Let's put some historical context here, Barbee was not loved his first year or two. Some was of his own design, some were fans, like us on here. Stone was an unkown for California and UTEP was only D1 offer and thought it was a waste. Brittain had health issues so that limited bench depth, Culpepper had us pulling our hair out because of his raw style of play, Memphis was a thorn in our side (close is good for horseshoe's, not basketball) which was pissing all of us off and fans were not liking his offense and Barbee did have a bit of chip on his shoulder. He didn't really like Haskins being constantly brought up with him and unlike Mike Price who relished the job, he did not like going out in public and sowing seeds with UTEP fans, loyal or band wagons. Finally, he was asked to stay because the fans did a 180 and saw that his plan did work buts it is tough turning down SEC money.
Second, you are correct....
"Student Services Fee $15.50 per credit hour, with a maximum of $186.00 (12 credit hours) A compulsory fee to fund student-related services such as intramural activities; student government, disabled student organizations, career services, cheerleaders, student publications, health services, intercollegiate athletics and others."
Pipe dream alert! Calm down, not gonna happen.
"Now it seems like conference realignment is needed again, not for schools seeking higher profiles, but for schools seeking survival.
Seems like a Texas/Oklahoma/Louisiana league of Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Rice, North Texas, Texas-San Antonio, UTEP, Texas State, Tulane, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette and Louisiana-Monroe would make for a compact, 12-team conference."
http://oklahoman.com/article/5663615/mid-majors-considering-more-regionalized-scheduling
"Now it seems like conference realignment is needed again, not for schools seeking higher profiles, but for schools seeking survival.
Seems like a Texas/Oklahoma/Louisiana league of Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Rice, North Texas, Texas-San Antonio, UTEP, Texas State, Tulane, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette and Louisiana-Monroe would make for a compact, 12-team conference."
http://oklahoman.com/article/5663615/mid-majors-considering-more-regionalized-scheduling
Are you trying to compare Terry to Barbee at this point in his UTEP tenure? I dont see the same trajectory, style or recruiting, but time will tell.
I'm talking about a dedicated fee for athletics, not a compulsory fee.
I hope you’re not referring to what I think you are.
Barbee took down all the banners and had them replaced. Strike 1. He was replacing coaches that made 2 NCAAs and 1 NIT. Strike 2. He didn’t win right away and didn’t really care for Haskins stuff. Strike 3.
Terry came in at a true low point in the program. He and the media talked about all these great transfers. He started 8-1 and then shit the bed and made lame excuses. Two entirely different scenarios. Not just because they both “brothas”
Right... Year 6 people were still making excuses for Floyd. Absolutely zero patience for Terry and Barbee.
Not sure what you're saying here, Mr. Fools, but I'd think a compulsory fee to help fund athletics is part of what it would take to ultimately fix our problems.
