Next UTEP coach is...
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Anyone else say “uh oh” with Senter’s mystery Arkansas guy? Don’t blow it Jim!
Even NMSU passed on the Tang Man. He’s not the right choice. Senter is blinded by the championship season. His resume sucks. Tang is lifetime assistant coach, that’s his calling. Maybe even one heck of an assistant coach, but he is not HC material. Other AD’s know this, which is why he has gotten interviews but never hired. Leave it to UTEP to the make the bad hire and prove what everybody else already knows.
In coaching hires, there is always a domino effect. Say Golding or Jans is hired. Would Tang be the logical choice to replace them at Abilene Christian or New Mexico State, respectively? Although his interest would most likely be tepid, that seems more like the starting career path that Tang’s head coaching career would need to take. I feel very strongly that whoever the hire is, the prerequisite of head coaching success must be the number one factor.
Nmsu hiring Weir is the equivalent of TT hiring Adams. A safe hire to continue the tradition and not have any transition.
Tang will start at a much better school than ACU or NMSU when he gets his shot. I don't think HC success does much for us. Our last 3 tournament teams after Don came from coaches with zero HC experience prior to UTEP.
Agree to disagree. (1) I feel like Tang will have to start somewhere. He wasn’t even interviewed for OU, Tech or New Mexico. Head coaching job searches are competitive and off the top of my head I don’t remember many long time assistants getting a shot at what you may consider a “better” school than New Mexico State or Abilene. (2) The guy at Tech will be the outlier to see if it works but outside of Bill Guthridge, when he replaced Dean Smith at UNC, coaches who have been long time assistants don’t seem to fall upward or laterally into jobs. Most AD’s hire on proven success.
Tommy Lloyd has been an assistant at Gonzaga for 20+ years and he appears to be Arizona's main target.
My list:
1a Tang
1b Golding
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10 Jans
That's it.
1a Tang
1b Golding
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10 Jans
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I wouldn’t say that would be that great of a hire for Arizona, either but I’m no Arizona fan. They are most likely staring down sanctions but if I was an Arizona fan, I’d be pulling hard for Eric Musselman. I thought he would have a really good shot at that job, if they money whipped him.
Jans, would probably have a p5 job right now... If not for his night out and getting touchy. The 3 mentioned above, work. Golding could be the total package, with experience to boot at the HC level. Patrick smells of Senter.... If he is the guy somehow, will it work or be another Dimel?
But Patrick didn't win at Riverside!?
Agree NTR, also Senter has stated in the past that he prioritizes those candidates with previous D1 head coaching experience. We will see if that holds up this time around.
The point is that long time succesful assistants don't necessarily have to start in the Wac or Southland. Some AD'S value longevity at one school.
Went from being a really terrible program to starting the next season off by blowing out Nebraska on the road. Also road wins at SJSU and Fresno.
I'll admit I was wrong on Patrick. Has good credentials actually. Winning 17 his second year at Riverside was no easy feat and beat Nebraska. Brought in Ben Simmons at LSU and helped Arkansas take a huge jump this year. I apologize for assuming he wasn't qualified. I now say my order is Golding,Tang, Patrick, Jans and Anyone else not named Sadler!
Apparently he is also a solid recruiter, so was Terry though. I agree those 4, don’t sound so bad.
Yeah, but not sure if moves the needle at all as far as the fanbase. Not exactly a splash hire.
It’s kinda ironic that Patrick did to UC Riverside, what Terry did to UTEP.... left a HC for an Associate position. Though, the Ark, coach thinks he is a good x and o’s coach too— “He's an underrated coach, and I think what happened was when he went to Riverside, people saw how good he was from an Xs and Os standpoint and a game plan standpoint. I just think he's a really, really well-rounded coach in all aspects of the game."
There’s more to the UCR story. They have thought about dropping athletics. He might have jumped ship when he caught wind of it
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There has been a few open jobs. Wichita St, UNM, Oklahoma, UNLV, Utah St, Texas St, UT Arlington, etc. All those jobs seem like a nice step up from ACU. Has Golding interviewed or have those schools shown interest in him?
I like Golding I'm just wondering why there isn't more schools after him.
I like Golding I'm just wondering why there isn't more schools after him.
Same could be said about Tang, where is the interest? If you eliminate this past season from both of their resumes, Golding is still on top IMO.
Tang is a career assistant, he may be great at it, but let’s be honest, he is what he is. 18 years have passed and nobody has offered him, it’s very clear, let’s hope Senter see’s this.
What's the difference between been an assistant at one for school for 18 years or been an assistant at several schools for the same amount of time?
It took Golding 11 years as an assistant before his alma mater gave him reigns to their awful d2 program. That's probably the only reason he was offered the job. His ties and the fact it was d2. Otherwise who knows how long before he gets a shot at a d1 job.
It took Billy 20 years at several schools before getting his shot at UTEP.
ETSU has boosters with deep pockets. They gave a better counter offer for Steve Forbes (now at Wake Forrest) to stay after UTEP offered the job. Rest is history.
NTR, are you familiar with Senter? I mean that in jest.
Anyways, no one has mentioned that UTEP AD office is leaking info to media and to even one regular on here (but Bigwood is quiet again). Interesting? Is Senter wanting a pulse from fans? He is on the utep fan hot seat with Dimel and Terry; he has to get this right.
Did someone say that "Off-Senter" is chatting with his final five in Dallas today? Hope they weren't counting on watching The Masters. The two Dallas boys are 2nd & 5th right now
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People move around in this profession, that’s the way it is. You learn from different HC’s, mold your own style when you get your shot. 2 decades kissing someone’s ass, eh, not my style. Plenty of success stories from assistants that coached at different places, then went on to become HC’s and move up. Few from career assistants at 1 place their whole lives. Oh sorry I forget he coached Pre K beforehand.
"I think the real consideration for coach Tang will be if the school will allow him to implement his culture into his program.
It's hard to find a state school that will allow an openly Christian culture to exist.
I don't see Tang going secular, just for the money and the promotion. He is too connected with his players, to short change them like that."
https://sicem365.com/forums/3/topics/85206
"Going secular just for the money and the promotion...."
It's hard to find a state school that will allow an openly Christian culture to exist.
I don't see Tang going secular, just for the money and the promotion. He is too connected with his players, to short change them like that."
https://sicem365.com/forums/3/topics/85206
"Going secular just for the money and the promotion...."
It is a secular country, or it should be according to the US Constitution."I think the real consideration for coach Tang will be if the school will allow him to implement his culture into his program.
It's hard to find a state school that will allow an openly Christian culture to exist.
I don't see Tang going secular, just for the money and the promotion. He is too connected with his players, to short change them like that."
https://sicem365.com/forums/3/topics/85206
"Going secular just for the money and the promotion...."
Well Tang has been vocal about being in that culture at Baylor. Senter is very open about his faith as are many coaches and athletes. But the faith based culture openly accepted at Baylor won't be so available at a state school like UTEP regardless of how many people of faith are there."I think the real consideration for coach Tang will be if the school will allow him to implement his culture into his program.
It's hard to find a state school that will allow an openly Christian culture to exist.
I don't see Tang going secular, just for the money and the promotion. He is too connected with his players, to short change them like that."
https://sicem365.com/forums/3/topics/85206
"Going secular just for the money and the promotion...."
I wonder what the UTEP Baptist Student Ministry thinks about this? They did used to have good free lunch once a week or so when I was there.
Wis, this is not true, at all.
There is an active BSM at UTEP. There was a Knights of Columbus (Catholic) council (dormant due to mismanagement but looking to go active). KofC had activities on the campus!
Those organizations are active on every campus. Honestly they're probably bigger deals on other campuses than UTEP because of its commuter nature.
Wisconsin's point is that religion is not part of the curriculum or endorsed by the school. At Baylor they have to chapel every week. Church and Christian values are part of the school's mission. You can have open displays of faith and church activities at private schools that are not possible at state schools.
Chris Collins was a long-time assistant at Duke before he was named head coach at Northwestern (Big Ten school).
Granted, given Northwestern's history, I don't know if I'd call it a "better" school than NMSU for basketball, but it's a Big Ten school and pays a lot more.
Basically loyalty to a program and a coach is a bad characteristic. Why wouldn't we want the right hand man of a coach with sweet 16s, elite 8s and a national championship when we can have coaches that whore around and have never been part of the overall success Drew and Tang accomplished together.
