We won eight games and were ranked in the 300s out of 350. Imo that constitutes one of the worst in the nation.
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And you said that Terry took that over. He did not. He ran off Floyd’s players, brought in transfers instead of freshman. Leaving himself with a depleted squad, so he could be successful this year. How did that turn out?
Having one down year, does not constitute being lumped in with the Chicago State’s of the world, as one of the “worst”. Sure for the 2018-19 season, but that was Terry’s own team, he did not inherit that.
Floyd’s team was so bad that he quit after losing to Lamar. That’s the team terry took over.
Does it really matter how we got to 17 wins? If it was by freshmen or transfers. That’s what’s expected for a rebuilding team in year 2. If he doesn’t add to those 17 wins in year three then I’ll agree the program isn’t going in the right direction.
Like I pointed out, that team that lost to Lamar, also beat UNM, Washington State and had 6,000 fans at their games. They also went 6-12 in CUSA play, a whole 2 games worse than this years “better” squad.
Calling Floyd’s last team, “one of the worst in the nation” is utterly ridiculous and makes you look like a Fili
Ok whatever. The stats don’t lie. NET had us ranked in the 300s. That means that we were better than maybe 47 other teams. The year before that we actually spent a few weeks ranked dead last. All I know is that calling for Terry’s job after two years make you sound like an entitled cry baby. “The team I don’t support didn’t win enough games so I want the coach fired!” Muah, cry, muah. “I deserve instant championship now!” Muah, cry, Muah” “Kentucky does it why can’t we?” Muah, cry, Muah.
I’m not really calling for his head, but it’s not like it’s a bad idea. It appears he won’t be able to be successful here, so why not move on with someone else?
Where does anyone on here act like we’re Kentucky? Most of us would be fine with finishing top 5 in the league and be a bottom pod team, in CUSA!!!!!
I'm not sure Kap is understanding the problem here.
#1 is that Terry has proven to be an average coach at best
#2 Terry overrecruited to win now, not rebuild. I don't care what he said in the past. He didn't win now and isn't going to with all his players leaving and so many question marks. He missed on his initial recruiting surge. He is not going to be able to recruit enough (or any more) quality players to UTEP because his plan has already failed, players are leaving in bunches and the word is out.
I would give him the 3rd year, but its NCAA or bust. Just ask Terry. That was his own plan anyway, guaranteed.
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What other school would fire a coach after doubling his win total from year 1?
With UTEP major revenue sports and Kap it's an arms length relationship with certain benefits. For Kap, it the ever elusive contract(s) that come and go and with UTEP it's "Help us, please Kap! You can reach the fan base and calm them down". For El Paso's market, they need each other, not want, need.
This kap style goes back years and years. He carries UTEP's water, to a point. Only problem is this piece is low on fire power. UTEP has "shelter in place" on their side and anger has diminished towards UTEP, some. The portal is hot (no pun intended) and if CRT can poach some quality, he can pull what dignity he has left. But like ax eluded to, Kap is missing the point. This year had good, solid, legit talent to challenge CUSA and CRT FUBAR'd it and if not for Edwards, UTEP would have missed the CUSA tourney, again. This team made fundamental mistakes that do happen, but should not as consistently as it did for this level of college basketball.
This kap style goes back years and years. He carries UTEP's water, to a point. Only problem is this piece is low on fire power. UTEP has "shelter in place" on their side and anger has diminished towards UTEP, some. The portal is hot (no pun intended) and if CRT can poach some quality, he can pull what dignity he has left. But like ax eluded to, Kap is missing the point. This year had good, solid, legit talent to challenge CUSA and CRT FUBAR'd it and if not for Edwards, UTEP would have missed the CUSA tourney, again. This team made fundamental mistakes that do happen, but should not as consistently as it did for this level of college basketball.
Probably none, depending on context. Though many would if his win total went down in year 3.
Articles like 600’s are true to extent, but let’s be real, 2 Kentucky transfers aren’t coming here. Anyone thinking about coming here will probably talk to Tarke. He wasted a year sitting out to play here and played sparingly the other. Don’t think that potential players won’t hear about it.
I agree with what you said. Coaches talk too. Not too many are going to want to apply if we fired Terry after this year.
Our two major programs are 2-22/25-36 in the two years since Senter took over. In the last two years of the Stull era we went 4-18/26-37. There isn’t any progress. And year three of both major programs doesn’t look promising either. I wish our president would hit the reset button. It’s justifiable.
No doubt. I still contend we pay now or pay later. Might as well clean house and pay now so it’ll pay off later.
I keep asking what solid talent did he have outside of Williams???
boum will end up being good
I think stroud will end up being good
Tarke, villa, Archie, Hawkins, lathon, verhouven that’s 6 , count them SIX rotation players that can’t score... that’s like running a race with only one leg.... and then throw in Edwards that would disappear in a big game.... and I don’t see what you all see.... then throw in odigie who couldn’t rebound and never saw a shot he didn’t like.... I can’t think of a team that had such bad shooters all out together can you?
Here was 3pt shooting pct for the year
boum 28 percent
Williams. 35 percent t
Edwards 38 percent
Lathon 22
Hawkins 20
Villa 21
Archie 24
Stroud 22
Tarke 8
ranked 322 out of 350
Add 8 players shooting less than 45 percent from 2 point range in the mix as well.... we had athletes not skilled basketball players
ranked 252
Ranked 216 with assists
I am honestly surprised we got 17 wins
I agree with you on the talent evaluation DBminer, and the deficiencies were not just limited to poor shooting. Although it improved minimally as the year progressed, turnovers were a huge problem. On top of having all these "athletes", we were also a poor rebounding team. All that said, I thought Terry did a poor job coaching, and evaluating what he had coming in. It is not like he hadn't seen these guys together for over a year in practice. Pretty much a disastrous season that fell apart in Hawaii.
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CRT is going to be here if we like it or not. And Trump's a moron. We can all come together and agree with something. Awesome.
I thought Williams, Lathon, Boum, Stroud and Verhoeven were our core at the end. Im ok with losing Lathon, but losing Stroud is pretty bad at this point because he was the future at the wing position. The most potential. I pictured him playing like that kid from Marshall played against us. I thought he would be a starter next year.
Kap mentioned that he thought maybe Kennedy being here was the reason he left. Well I hope it's because Kennedy is actually better and not because Terry is already overly fond of him. We'll see.
Agree axingfools1. Best case scenario Kennedy lives up to his 4 star rating. The point that caught my eye in the Kappy article is that he indicated Williams will be back (at least at this time). With him and Boum, there is a chance to fill some gaps; not saying it will be easy. Bottom line, guys want to play asap, and there should be plenty of minutes next year.
Wish someone would would ask Terry about what happened during the re-recruiting of the five players he lost instead of puff pieces on why the sky is not falling....
here is Terry basically saying there isn’t gonna be a transfer problem here, but I guess he couldn’t take them out eat due to the coronavirus shut down and they transferred?
(On the transfer epidemic in college basketball)
"It has definitely changed the landscape of college basketball for sure. This time of the year, I know for us at Fresno State over the last seven years, you have different phases of the year. You're really in coach mode, and there are times you are in recruit mode. This time of the year for our staff, I challenge our staff every year to get back in recruit mode, but more important not so much recruiting other players, but we have to keep recruiting our players because other people are trying to recruit our players. We've got to go and re-recruit our guys again. We've got to have those guys feel good about what we're doing, where we're going and what we want to try to get better with in the future. So we spend a lot of time with our players. In this day and time with this generation it's so important that you have great relationships with your players, not just in basketball but away from basketball. You have to have an unbelievable relationship with them. And that may be over a lunch, that may be over a dinner, that may be over several phone calls on a regular basis, but you've got to touch them every single day. That's something that we've taken a lot of pride in. We haven't lost a lot of guys in that regard because we try to re-recruit our guys, no differently from what we're going to try to do here. We have ourselves benefitted at times at Fresno State with transfers. In the Mountain West, I always thought that you needed to try to stay older. We tried to have a blend of young players and older players. If you go in there with a lot of young players, boy it's really tough. You've got to have a blend with some older players. The thing we try to do with the transfer market ourselves is we try to re-recruit guys that we maybe didn't get the first time around. Maybe we initially started recruiting that kid earlier in his career and the next thing you know, he goes from a Mountain West caliber guy and all of a sudden he's a Pac-12 guy and he doesn't take our calls anymore. But we don't ever blow any bridges up. We keep those bridges and those relationships open. Maybe he goes somewhere and he's not as happy there and the next time around, he's calling us and saying 'Hey, can I come back and help you?' But we're fortunate enough to be able to take guys that we have had relationships with. We didn't do much in the market of taking guys that we didn't have relationships with."
that’s from his first presser as UTEP head coach. The guy is full of shit.
here is Terry basically saying there isn’t gonna be a transfer problem here, but I guess he couldn’t take them out eat due to the coronavirus shut down and they transferred?
(On the transfer epidemic in college basketball)
"It has definitely changed the landscape of college basketball for sure. This time of the year, I know for us at Fresno State over the last seven years, you have different phases of the year. You're really in coach mode, and there are times you are in recruit mode. This time of the year for our staff, I challenge our staff every year to get back in recruit mode, but more important not so much recruiting other players, but we have to keep recruiting our players because other people are trying to recruit our players. We've got to go and re-recruit our guys again. We've got to have those guys feel good about what we're doing, where we're going and what we want to try to get better with in the future. So we spend a lot of time with our players. In this day and time with this generation it's so important that you have great relationships with your players, not just in basketball but away from basketball. You have to have an unbelievable relationship with them. And that may be over a lunch, that may be over a dinner, that may be over several phone calls on a regular basis, but you've got to touch them every single day. That's something that we've taken a lot of pride in. We haven't lost a lot of guys in that regard because we try to re-recruit our guys, no differently from what we're going to try to do here. We have ourselves benefitted at times at Fresno State with transfers. In the Mountain West, I always thought that you needed to try to stay older. We tried to have a blend of young players and older players. If you go in there with a lot of young players, boy it's really tough. You've got to have a blend with some older players. The thing we try to do with the transfer market ourselves is we try to re-recruit guys that we maybe didn't get the first time around. Maybe we initially started recruiting that kid earlier in his career and the next thing you know, he goes from a Mountain West caliber guy and all of a sudden he's a Pac-12 guy and he doesn't take our calls anymore. But we don't ever blow any bridges up. We keep those bridges and those relationships open. Maybe he goes somewhere and he's not as happy there and the next time around, he's calling us and saying 'Hey, can I come back and help you?' But we're fortunate enough to be able to take guys that we have had relationships with. We didn't do much in the market of taking guys that we didn't have relationships with."
that’s from his first presser as UTEP head coach. The guy is full of shit.
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14 wins, we beat three D-2 teams, this team went 14-17, I wasn’t even counting those when every claims UTEP started “8-1”
All this year, Terry claimed that the guys were young and have to get to know each other, I guess next year will be worse, since we’re bringing in a new crew of players.
Yeah he should have re-recruited Stroud by playing him mid-season. I understand maybe he wasn't ready early on after sitting out, but after the BS in Hawaii and the rumors over the break Terry should have benched Vila and started playing Stroud a lot more.
Who do you play? A freshman with a high ceiling and the "most potential on the team" that scores at a high rate and has spectacular plays, or a 6'11" junior that can't shoot, plays away from the rim and can't defend the rim to save his life?
Terry messed up/over recruited by bringing in Archie and Vila when he had Stroud and Eze. He then screwed with Hawkins and Efe by pushing them aside.
Who do you play? A freshman with a high ceiling and the "most potential on the team" that scores at a high rate and has spectacular plays, or a 6'11" junior that can't shoot, plays away from the rim and can't defend the rim to save his life?
Terry messed up/over recruited by bringing in Archie and Vila when he had Stroud and Eze. He then screwed with Hawkins and Efe by pushing them aside.
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Great points man, plus he screwed with Hawkins and Efe and after relying on them so much during their freshman years. I’m so frustrated with the program Man, been trying to stay away from UTEP but this a damn good thread. Good shit men.
Vila is coming back. What would you do with him? He had a hot start, fell on his face and by the end Terry just had him in giving breathers or fill in for foul trouble. If you can't beat'em join em and do what UNT, La Tech and Marshall have done and that's a one two punch with a good pg and athletic PF. Terry has Boum but he needs a PF to get the pressure off Williams or step when they go three on him (Like Rice. They always had three shadowing him). It will not win games against power programs but it works for CUSA. A Lathon/Stroud prototype.
There's another slight problem no one has said about Boum? He gets gets foul prone quickly at times and that screws the team. He starts going ball out and bam, bam he has two fouls (and he needs to keep his cool as well). This is why Lathon hurts the most IMO. He didn't score like Lathon but he was cool hand Luck when Boum was on the bench.
There's another slight problem no one has said about Boum? He gets gets foul prone quickly at times and that screws the team. He starts going ball out and bam, bam he has two fouls (and he needs to keep his cool as well). This is why Lathon hurts the most IMO. He didn't score like Lathon but he was cool hand Luck when Boum was on the bench.
What's so infuriating is that it's so obvious what Terry's inabilities are and that Senter is apparently either blind to it or doesn't give a damn and I deduce it's the latter. If you ask Terry about this past dreadful season I guarantee you he would glorify it to the point that we were glorious.
Maybe I'm just a grumpy old man who is realizing that he'll not live long enough to see another Miner season like the Glory Years.
Does Kap get JTs job when he retires? Who else is good to listen to for EP sports hot takes? Is there anyone else local besides that Tipton dude?
KROD 600 Steven K. and his crew are all puppets of the UTEP athletic department. They are far from objective when reporting anything regarding UTEP.
Don't trust anything they have to write or say. If you want any objectivity you have to come here.
Don't trust anything they have to write or say. If you want any objectivity you have to come here.
My question is why did Kappy write such a positive spin article when there seems to be at least some question out there, that there might be even more defections coming?
Unless Kappy has a source confirming that these are the only people leaving, then his article will look silly in a few days/weeks after another person or two leaves. And if something negative happens with Williams, then his article will become completely laughable. It just seems like maybe he would have been better served to let all of the dust settle before putting out such a spin article.
Unless Kappy has a source confirming that these are the only people leaving, then his article will look silly in a few days/weeks after another person or two leaves. And if something negative happens with Williams, then his article will become completely laughable. It just seems like maybe he would have been better served to let all of the dust settle before putting out such a spin article.
You kinda have to put something out there, since there’s really nothing to talk about. Is he still doing a 3 hour show? I stopped listening to sports radio since everything got cancelled and haven’t listened to his show in like a year, outside of an occasional 5 minute listen
I tried listening to that local 1380 show. It stunk. For all the bragging about having worked for ESPN the guy knows zero about anything and gabs more about actresses and drinking.
Also knows nothing about college sports in general or how club teams differ from athletics.
Remember when he was talking about Texas Tech’s attendance and how they “supported their team” and had “10,000 per game” when they were losing? Then we showed him the NCAA attendance stats showing him he was full of shit and he said he was right because his ESPN computer said so. Lol
LOL Yep. But that's the thing with the Internet. Anybody can state anything. For all we know he got coffee and donuts for everybody at ESPN and ran errands. People lie all the time about where they worked and the responsibilities they had. I would be very surprised if he did anything substantial at ESPN.
All true. You can tell it’s a bad season as they didn’t mention what place they finished in and mentioned “MEAC runner up” to justify putting the win over NC A&T in there. Sad.
