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No not fake news, this is the most bloodthirsty country since the start of the century, over 500,000 kills(the low-end estimate) since the "war on terror" most of them innocent people. Also, it has a masturbatory gun culture only rivaled by the world population of teenage boys.Can't be true, it's a gun-free zone. Fake news.
Whoa, and here I thought Digs and Kyyote's was full of right wing nuttery?No not fake news, this is the most bloodthirsty country since the start of the century, over 500,000 kills(the low-end estimate) since the "war on terror" most of them innocent people. Also, it has a masturbatory gun culture only rivaled by the world population of teenage boys.
What happened in 1977? I was a wee lad, any links I'd like to read about what your talking about.Whoa, and here I thought Digs and Kyyote's was full of right wing nuttery?
1977 people. 1977. Gun culture in USA took a major, major hard turn. I grew up with guns and believe in the pre 1977 mantra of gun ownership. This is a sports sight and I will not go on.
Reggie Jackson hit 3 home runs in game 6 of the World Series but it was Linda Ronstadt that stole the show.What happened in 1977? I was a wee lad, any links I'd like to read about what your talking about.
You're right, but mass shootings are a new and consistent threat. Since Columbine.You all realize murders in the USA, including murder by firearms, are way down from what they were two or three decades ago?
Convicted felons should not have any firearms. It's against federal and state law for a convicted felon to have a firearm unless the state restores other civil rights to the felon. Most states will not do that for a felon convicted of a violent crime.Someone on the right explain to me why convicted felons should have the right to purchase semi-automatic rifles.
You know the ones made to look like military rifles that pathetic ammosexuals get off on owning so they can pretend they're badasses."2) No assault riffles for people under 21 unless they're military. This rule already exists for handguns.
I think assault rifles shouldn't be allowed by ANY civilian. Seriously, who needs one?"
What's an assault rifle?
I get where you got your info, and it's accurate sort of.106 mass shootings THIS YEAR. And alot of the rules that were put in place were changed by this administration. Also we can talk about the mentally I'll all we want but every year funding for mental illness is cut. Every year mental institutions are closed. This country doesn't care about mental illness because we can't make money from it.
You know the ones made to look like military rifles that pathetic ammosexuals get off on owning so they can pretend they're badasses.
Similarly, the defenders of guns want to get so technical, you can't ban or regulate any. If you say, any weapon that is rapid fire, the response is "well grenade launchers arent", so ban this gun, but that one, okay libtard". "If the response is anything that can Pierce standard police vests, the response is so that's most deer riffles, dumbocrat".According to military specs none of those are assault rifles, as they don't have select fire capability. They are small caliber, low powered rifles (lower power than standard deer hunting rifles) which use design elements which make them look like military weapons. This is one thing that's so annoying about debating gun control, the people who want to ban guns don't really define what they want to ban.
So what is it about these guns that should be banned?
How about limit magazines to 10 bullets? That would slow down the next gun nut.Similarly, the defenders of guns want to get so technical, you can't ban or regulate any. If you say, any weapon that is rapid fire, the response is "well grenade launchers arent", so ban this gun, but that one, okay libtard". "If the response is anything that can Pierce standard police vests, the response is so that's most deer riffles, dumbocrat".
Okay, fine, I'll play your game. No one under 21 unless they're military should buy a gun that isn't a bolt action or a pump action. For me the problem is the ability to fire rapidly. I want indiscriminate shooters to have to load and aim. Not just rain a spray of bulllets into a crowd knowing they can fire hundreds of bullets rather quickly and hit quite a few people. That's it. My goal isn't lofty, I want mass shootings to result in just a few less deaths. Were the only country in the world that has these events and dreaming big is, imagine if the Vegas shooter killed only half?
Probably more that we’ve never heard about.OK, I understand you, I think. Do you want to restrict semi-autos to people over 21? Also, we most certainly aren't the only country with mass shootings. The New Zealand mosque shooting wasn't long ago. Norway had one of the worst in history, and going back a few decades South Korea had a terrible one.
https://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-america-sandy-hook-gun-violenceProbably more that we’ve never heard about.
This is the only country where this happens on a weekly basis. Yeah this will happen like once or twice in most countries and then they solve the problem.OK, I understand you, I think. Do you want to restrict semi-autos to people over 21? Also, we most certainly aren't the only country with mass shootings. The New Zealand mosque shooting wasn't long ago. Norway had one of the worst in history, and going back a few decades South Korea had a terrible one.
Well for one, it's NOT happening on a weekly basis. One time is too many, but stop exaggerating.This is the only country where this happens on a weekly basis. Yeah this will happen like once or twice in most countries and then they solve the problem.
No other country would tolerate Columbine, Sandy Hook, Vegas, Orlando, and more and not take concrete actions to solve the problem. Take action.
What's the Conservative solution besides shitting on Democractic proposals? Or arguing that there's no problem?
The second amendment is more than likely where we need to go. The second amendment is why this happens so often. The problem is political.Well for one, it's NOT happening on a weekly basis. One time is too many, but stop exaggerating.
Do you know for a fact other countries don't have the same problem but we just don't hear about it as much? You really don't know what goes on in other countries.
Look bro, no one has "concrete" solutions. Everyone's ideas are just that, ideas. If you feel the Republicans are at fault for not fixing this, then why is it democratic presidents were in charge in 3 of the 4 you listed and nothing was done to your satisfaction? I know I know.....congress was controlled by the republicans, therefore their fault cuz like, you know, the democrats have the answers.
Bottom line is this, there is no easy fix and screwing with the 2nd amendment is just not where we need to go. This isn't a political thing, IMHO.
Okay. What's the right thing? Why are we the only country that has this recurring problem? How do we stop it. What are your ideas? If my ideas are bad. What are your ideas? My ideas are based off of the ideas of what other countries did after mass shootings. What are your ideas? Okay, don't touch guns. So, what would you do?Nah, I just don't agree with your position, or anyone that wants to touch the second amendment. Don't get me wrong, I don't own guns. My wife's side are hunters in New Mexico. I do have friends on both sides of the isle that have handguns for protection in their homes. Hell, with all the illegal people flooding our city, it may behoove me to reconsider getting a gun.
Don't believe what the media wants you to believe. They have an agenda. They never report what great things the police do in the communities, but get a bunch of asshole kids talking back to them on video, and the crap blows up.
You may believe it's political, and that's part of the problem, but it's a right and wrong issue. It's wrong to think you have the right to go to a school and shoot innocent people. It's wrong to take a gun away from me because some asshat did that in Carolina. It's wrong to blame this on conservatives just because you ride the liberal way. It's right to want to fix the problem. It's right to believe it has more to do with teaching kids at an early age. Oh and it's wrong to feel you have a need to own any automatic rifle. That's just stupid.
The HUGE difference here is I look at the issue from a non political angle. I don't give a crap who supports what. I just want the right thing done.
I guess you didn't read my posts. It's cool. This board isn't about debating gun laws anyway.
I'm done with this thread. Prayers to UNC Charlotte.
#picksup #backtosports
If you're going to use a straw man arguement. So will I.Venezuela banned guns, and look at them now.
bait taken....You're done because all you have is generalities, platitudes, and sentiments. Nothing to back up your thinking besides some talking points you heard on Conservative radio or Fox News. No solutions, no ideas, just don't touch my guns and maybe if God was still in school.
Sorry if I went too hard on you specifically.bait taken....
Look bruh, I do not watch Fox news, listen to conservative radio, or read republican trash. Apparently you follow everything hard core democrat and believe whatever they spoon feed you. That's cool if you want to live that way, but I choose to think on my own and not be told what to believe.
You see, I don't anything to back up what I THINK, because it's my OPINION. If you would look back at a post in which I replied to you, you would see I agree with most of your suggestions. Not my fault you go off half cocked and attack mode. Typical hard core democrat. (hard core repubs are no better.)
I'm sure you will attack once again, but I am done with this..for sure this time....ciao...
Actually I mostly agree. And yup, Democrats take big money from big pharma too and that's a big part of the problem. There will always be people who are "off" and I think pumping them full of pills isn't the best solution. Maybe the quickest and most profitable, but not the best.I liked Joe Rogan's quote on this
"this country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem".
I've said this before and i'll say it again-- guns are only an "issue" because they are an easy political target for Democrats. Most all major gun lobbies are Conservative leaning, therefore guns and the NRA are regularly blamed for these attacks by the left.
Thing is, neither the NRA or the 2A have anything to do with this. Furthermore, none of the increased regulatory efforts we keep hearing about would have prevented these shootings.... so why are they regularly talked about as a fix?
Going back to the mental health side-- you know what isn't quite mentioned as much? pharmaceuticals.
Most of these mass killers are on SSRI's or similar mood stabilizers. Maybe we should be asking what exactly happens to SOME people (who already have mental issues) when they are put on medications that can literally impact and remove their sense of feeling and empathy. What happens when a severely depressed person loses that sense of empathy..... that little voice inside their head that prevents them from truly jumping off the deep end?
Know this-- the biggest, scariest lobby out there isn't the NRA.... it's big pharma... and they don't pick sides. Instead, they line the pockets of everyone with influence. This includes your favorite Republicans, Democrats, Cable News channel, local newspaper, etc....etc....
I liked Joe Rogan's quote on this
"this country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem".
I've said this before and i'll say it again-- guns are only an "issue" because they are an easy political target for Democrats. Most all major gun lobbies are Conservative leaning, therefore guns and the NRA are regularly blamed for these attacks by the left.
Thing is, neither the NRA or the 2A have anything to do with this. Furthermore, none of the increased regulatory efforts we keep hearing about would have prevented these shootings.... so why are they regularly talked about as a fix?
Going back to the mental health side-- you know what isn't quite mentioned as much? pharmaceuticals.
Most of these mass killers are on SSRI's or similar mood stabilizers. Maybe we should be asking what exactly happens to SOME people (who already have mental issues) when they are put on medications that can literally impact and remove their sense of feeling and empathy. What happens when a severely depressed person loses that sense of empathy..... that little voice inside their head that prevents them from truly jumping off the deep end?
Know this-- the biggest, scariest lobby out there isn't the NRA.... it's big pharma... and they don't pick sides. Instead, they line the pockets of everyone with influence. This includes your favorite Republicans, Democrats, Cable News channel, local newspaper, etc....etc....
Actually I mostly agree. And yup, Democrats take big money from big pharma too and that's a big part of the problem. There will always be people who are "off" and I think pumping them full of pills isn't the best solution. Maybe the quickest and most profitable, but not the best.
Tucson, Parkland, the Aurora shootings all have a mental health component to them and maybe a better mental health system would have prevented those.
But again, it's not like there are a lot of politicians, especially Republicans who are promoting more mental health. It boils back to that. Actually, i think it boils down to who has the best political lobbies. Unfortunately.