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Dmanminer said:
Na, you got me all wrong. I’m not Catholic and have mixed feelings about abortion. I hate that they happen, but wonder if an unwanted child will suffer from abuse, both physical and mental.
I am a conservative and believe we should have as little government as possible. I think people should take responsibility for their life choices and not expect handouts or blame others for their actions.
I just can’t understand the way liberals think. To claim they are Catholic and then vote for a party that kills babies is the height of hypocrisy.
I am not saying all Democrats are Catholic or even religious. But don’t claim to be both.
One poster on here keeps harping on Fox News, wonder if he’s ever watched it or just here what the liberals say. Last night Fox had more viewers than every other network. I guess all 7.1 million of us are ignorant racist fascist sexist and every other name they call us.
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Do you realize that there are pro choice Republicans and pro life Democrats? Or that there are people who are pro choice that don't like abortion, but fear the consequences if abortion was made illegal? Or, again, that there are so many issues or than abortion that affect our lives that could cause a devout Catholic to be a registered Democrat, even if they are pro life?

As far as Fox News goes, I always in my mind go back to the first Obama-Romney debate. The general consensus is that Romney won that debate. I was watching the post debate coverage on CNN, and thought that they were covering it the proper way. Wolf Blitzer was moderating the discussion and taking a neutral view. He had both a Republican and Democrat strategist on the panel to whom he was asking questions and generating discussion. The Republican strategist was giddy, the Democrat strategist wasn't happy, which is what you would expect, but, again, the moderation was neutral. I really liked that.

I flipped the channel over to Fox News out if curiosity. It was like there was a party going on over there. Everyone was jubilant, they were practically high fiving each other. I flipped over to MSNBC and saw the exact opposite reaction. Everyone there was pissed, and complaining that the Obama campaign should have come to them for their debate prep. It reminded me of when I watched MSNBC's coverage of Romney's RNC speech earlier that year. They were asking people what they thought of the speech, and deriding anyone who said that they liked it.

That post debate coverage underscores better than anything else why I never watch either Fox News or MSNBC.

Oh, and for the record, I am not Catholic, neither do I identify as a Republican or a Democrat. I also don't hate those with conservative views, nor those who espouse liberal viewpoints. I do have issues with extremism on both sides.
 
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Do you realize that there are pro choice Republicans and pro life Democrats? Or that there are people who are pro choice that don't like abortion, but fear the consequences if abortion was made illegal? Or, again, that there are so many issues or than abortion that affect our lives that could cause a devout Catholic to be a registered Democrat, even if they are pro life?

As far as Fox News goes, I always in my mind go back to the first Obama-Romney debate. The general consensus is that Romney won that debate. I was watching the post debate coverage on CNN, and thought that they were covering it the proper way. Wolf Blitzer was moderating the discussion and taking a neutral view. He had both a Republican and Democrat strategist on the panel to whom he was asking questions and generating discussion. The Republican strategist was giddy, the Democrat strategist wasn't happy, which is what you would expect, but, again, the moderation was neutral. I really liked that.

I flipped the channel over to Fox News out if curiosity. It was like there was a party going on over there. Everyone was jubilant, they were practically high fiving each other. I flipped over to MSNBC and saw the exact opposite reaction. Everyone there was pissed, and complaining that the Obama campaign should have come to them for their debate prep. It reminded me of when I watched MSNBC's coverage of Romney's RNC speech earlier that year. They were asking people what they thought of the speech, and deriding anyone who said that they liked it.

That post debate coverage underscores better than anything else why I never watch either Fox News or MSNBC.

Oh, and for the record, I am not Catholic, neither do I identify as a Republican or a Democrat. I also don't hate those with conservative views, nor those who espouse liberal viewpoints. I do have issues with extremism on both sides.
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Let’s face it there’s idiots on both sides. What pisses me off when anybody groups people into a basket cause of their political beliefs.
One should investigate both sides and go with what fits their beliefs and moral values. I don’t agree with every Republican, just most of their policies fit what I desire for my country and family. Everyone should make their own decisions and not believe everything on Fox, CNN, etc.
That being said I’ve had enough on of political discussion on here, unless it deals with getting rid of Senter and Dimel.
 
The "news" hasn't been fair and balanced since the advent of the 24-hour news channels. It's all about ratings, not about facts. That IS a fact! Every news entity is catering to a different faction and editorializing passing those off as "news". The problem seems to be people who are ignorant or just plain stupid enough to believe what they hear on Fox, CNN, MSNBC or the others. Meanwhile poor PBS can't even get a $5 donation.

Lately due to legal issues, they have taken to calling themselves entertainment or editorials claiming they can't be held responsible for what they say. I agree. The government should pass a law mandating each of those entities label themselves as entertainment show, not news. Leave the real fact based news to organizations with integrity unbeholden to the marketing department (whoever those are).

 
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One thing I dont understand, is banned weapons?? How does Nato/world enforce another country from using banned weapons? What makes a weapon a banned weapon? Like do they say, it's okay to use this weapon to kill people, but dont use this weapon??
 
FiliUTEP said:
One thing I dont understand, is banned weapons?? How does Nato/world enforce another country from using banned weapons? What makes a weapon a banned weapon? Like do they say, it's okay to use this weapon to kill people, but dont use this weapon??
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Banned weapons are basically those that are inhumane or are unable to distinguish soldiers from civilians. I understand what you are saying though.
 
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FiliUTEP said:
One thing I dont understand, is banned weapons?? How does Nato/world enforce another country from using banned weapons? What makes a weapon a banned weapon? Like do they say, it's okay to use this weapon to kill people, but dont use this weapon??
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Do you think it makes sense for the nations of the world to agree not to use chemical and biological weapons on each other?
 
FiliUTEP said:
One thing I dont understand, is banned weapons?? How does Nato/world enforce another country from using banned weapons? What makes a weapon a banned weapon? Like do they say, it's okay to use this weapon to kill people, but dont use this weapon??
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The Geneva convention talks about the use of Protecting Powers:

The term protecting power has a specific meaning under these Conventions. A protecting power is a state that is not taking part in the armed conflict, but that has agreed to look after the interests of a state that is a party to the conflict. The protecting power is a mediator enabling the flow of communication between the parties to the conflict. The protecting power also monitors implementation of these Conventions, such as by visiting the zone of conflict and prisoners of war. The protecting power must act as an advocate for prisoners, the wounded, and civilians.

Unfortunately when you look at how rarely war crimes have been brought up let alone convicted it makes me skeptical that anything will happen here. To bring to Justice any Russian soldiers or military officials for alleged war crimes would probably require the complete surrender of Russia itself.
 
UTEPfan1966 said:
I really don't know.....Look who I have had to choose from.....Clinton? Carter? Obama? (he was a close one) It's really hard looking at the options.....meh......can't remember others......

Locally, I have voted for decent democrats......not batshit crazy ones....
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A simple "No, I've never voted for a democrat for president" would have done the trick.
 
groundrounds said:
A simple "No, I've never voted for a democrat for president" would have done the trick.
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I'll assume, based on your constant replies, that you have never voted republican. On ANY level. While I don't think I have voted for a demo president, at least I have voted demo in other races. You see, I look at the candidate and their policies. Unfortunately, the presidential candidates are not what I want.
 
Well here's something I didn't know. It turns out that the Russians are fighting Ukranian nationalist right wing militias with racist and anti-semitic overtones who take much of their inspiration from Nazi Germany. Russian propoganda you say. Well there are several reports online that address how these groups have been preparing for years for a Russian invasion which they saw as inevitable (turns out they were correct)... they're young, paramilitary and nasty looking. In retrospect, it might explain why the Russians are having such a hard time and why Israel has been slow to condemn Putin for the war. What do you think about that?

 
jdubb66 said:
Well here's something I didn't know. It turns out that the Russians are fighting Ukranian nationalist right wing militias with racist and anti-semitic overtones who take much of their inspiration from Nazi Germany. Russian propoganda you say. Well there are several reports online that address how these groups have been preparing for years for a Russian invasion which they saw as inevitable (turns out they were correct)... they're young, paramilitary and nasty looking. In retrospect, it might explain why the Russians are having such a hard time and why Israel has been slow to condemn Putin for the war. What do you think about that?

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If anything it seems like if Ukraine keeps its sovereignty when this is over they could face a dangerous power struggle as they try to rebuild.
 
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Well here's something I didn't know. It turns out that the Russians are fighting Ukranian nationalist right wing militias with racist and anti-semitic overtones who take much of their inspiration from Nazi Germany. Russian propoganda you say. Well there are several reports online that address how these groups have been preparing for years for a Russian invasion which they saw as inevitable (turns out they were correct)... they're young, paramilitary and nasty looking. In retrospect, it might explain why the Russians are having such a hard time and why Israel has been slow to condemn Putin for the war. What do you think about that?

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I would say this group represents probably about .0001% of the Ukraine population
 
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JCorona said:
Does anyone think Ukraine will win?
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It depends. What aid are western Allie’s willing to give? I know there was talk of NATO establishing a no fly zone, but they fear that could lead to an escalation. Maybe their hope right now is they can hold out long enough that those sanctions seriously hurt Russia’s ability to make war.
 
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Minerforlife said:
Russia has 120,000 troops to try to control a country the size of Texas. They can capture cities but they can't hold them. This was a serious miscalculation by Putin. He thought the Russians would be welcomed by the Ukranians.
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When I read that the Ukranians ambushed and killed one the most feared Chechen Generals and his special forces unit, who have war crimes levied against them from years prior and who were specifically assigned to find and assassinate Zelensky, things were not going well for Putin.
 
JCorona said:
Does anyone think Ukraine will win?
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Tough question not knowing exactly how far Putin will go to win. I think the Ukrainians definitely have the will power, but not the fire power. Interesting that both air forces seem to be fairly non existent. Russia's strategy seems to be a mess.
 
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Sort of. When Putin bombed the country of Georgia and invaded Crimea their GDP actually grew and there was a temporary well spring of Russian pride. This now is a total 180. Russians didn't want him to invade (they thought he was just "sabre rattling" all these years). Second, the generals and ground troops were not trained nor prepared and basically going in blind (captured Russian troop testimony). Third, Putin and his ilk didn't think the west would put such hard sanctions and halt billions and billions of dollars in energy deals. Western countries are hunting down oligarchs mega yachts and Oligarchs are having crying remorse to western media. (not actual tears but saying they had nothing to do with what Putin is undertaking).

-Low military morale on Russian side
-An (innocent) opponent well motivated to fight for a once in a lifetime leader
-Crippling sanctions that took the western world twenty years to get serious about

Russia will take over. They will also have to leave. Russia economy can not withstand this horrific blunder.
 
Apparently Ukrainians shot down one of Russia’s better fighter pilots who was notorious in Syria and captured him (his co pilot did not survive) after ejecting from plane. The pilot has quiet a pansa.

 
Russian demands for cease fire:

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Monday revealed Russia's harsh demands: Ukraine halt its military activity, change its Constitution to include neutrality so it can't join the EU or NATO, recognize Crimea as Russian territory and recognize independence for the separatist regions of Donetsk and Lugansk.
 
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Russian demands for cease fire:

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Monday revealed Russia's harsh demands: Ukraine halt its military activity, change its Constitution to include neutrality so it can't join the EU or NATO, recognize Crimea as Russian territory and recognize independence for the separatist regions of Donetsk and Lugansk.
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That's just a starting point for negotiations isn't it?
 
They can give them what they already have. If Russia pushes back beyond their borders they can recognize Crimea as a Russian territory. They ain't never getting that back. They can make assurances that Russians living in Ukraine won't be targeted by the government. Allow water to flow to Crimea once again. Agree not to join NATO for a period of 20 years or so.
 
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