Jacksonville St./Kennesaw St. Prediction and game thread.
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I'm worried about Saturday as well. Like you mentioned, these teams are very close league wide.
Starters were not ready to play AGAIN. Golding will take the blame AGAIN. I have no idea why our average team thinks they can overlook anyone. Look at the free throws both teams in the last 7 minutes and that will tell the story. Also rebounds but that was expected. Coach has got to GOlding
Jax State dominates UTEP men’s sports!
Kimani Jones-Young is the splash hire we need!
He works for “the best coach in the f’n sport”!
Kimani Jones-Young is the splash hire we need!
He works for “the best coach in the f’n sport”!
Yea they would’ve disappointed 12,000 fans again instead of just 4,500
We don't have to hedge all the time, especially with certain players out there. I dont understand why Golding doesn't have any change ups on D. Makes no sense to me.
He’s a shitty coach and not for this level.
He hit a big 3, but missed another wide open 3 that could have given us a cushion. Frazier and Bynum missed big 3s at the end as well.
I’m not exactly on team Hebb, but he did bring energy and some decent defense…and one of the only 3s Ive seen him make as a Miner.
Yeah. Bad game from Barnes. We needed his scoring today.
Hebb was playing some good defense but when Camper went down we were forced to play Hebb more. Then when Bynum got injured we couldn’t put an offensive set together and Hebb turned into more of a liability than normal.
I'm not doing anymore scoring predictions. I knew I shouldn't of done it. I jinxed them. 😥😥
I think we should defund the scoring prediction thread I believe it jinx the team.
I think we should defund the scoring prediction thread I believe it jinx the team.
Yeah, you should just log off.
Camper looks like he will be out for awhile. Bynum hopefully will be back by Saturday. If we are missing both we are in big trouble.
Don’t want to beat a dead horse, but Golding is in way over his head.
I have no hope for this team. Fell sorry for Frazier, he plays his ass off, and ends up with Golding as a coach.
Don’t want to beat a dead horse, but Golding is in way over his head.
I have no hope for this team. Fell sorry for Frazier, he plays his ass off, and ends up with Golding as a coach.
After this game, it's fitting that this game didn't even have its own thread. Golding had no plan after Camper went down. The rotation was questionable and I I'm understating that. We have a team of mostly upperclassmen. This is Golding's fourth year. Jaxon State or whatever their name is, has a team of underclassmen and absolutely dominated us. We've had back-to-back loses at home. I know the season starts in March but we need to set ourselves up for seeding. So frustrating.
I think a frontcourt including Kalu and Jones makes sense against certain lineups. Hamilton is not just a liability defensively on the high hedge, but is also a lousy rebounder for his size and provides no rim protection. He is just too limited athletically and it shows up again and again against teams with good interior athletes like Jax St.
A big personnel issue that continues to hurt UTEP is against longer forwards that can rebound. Houge, for Jax St., had a huge game off the bench by attacking the boards, similar to the forwards from NMSU, etc. While Elijah Jones isn't great, he is the only option on the roster that can offer some resistance against these types of players. My frustration is that Golding knew this going season and was only able to add Wickware to that specific position. That said, if you insert Jones along with Kalu, who comes off the floor? Camper? If Camper is out for some time, I bet we see more of Hebb (and maybe Horton), versus Jones.
I get the sentiment on Golding trust me I do. I do think he was out coached by a much better veteran coach last night. However Golding doesn’t shoot and has used up his eligibility soooo… all those missed shots last night down the stretch are on the team JS.
So it's never the coaches fault? The last two home games are all on the players, not on the coaches inability to have a plan A, B, C... to have ready during a game?
One coaching mishap last night was the lack of minutes for Jones in the second half.
Valid question 🙋 I’m asking honestly where you gathered that I said it’s never the fault of the coach? I’m very confused where you read that? Are you perhaps remarking to another post or maybe made up a post in your head that you’re responding too? 🤔 Pretty sure I said Golding got out coached, pretty sure I said the Jacksonville St. coach had him outclassed, pretty sure I have been very critical of CJG! That doesn’t change the fact that Frazier, Barnes and Hebb missed wide open shots and Bynum had the ball completely slip out of his hands on a shot. Those are what ya call Facts! So maybe try again and respond to the post accordingly and accurately, thanks 🙏🏽
IMO Golding comes down to this. He runs a vanilla O and a gimmick D. Gimmick D is OK when a team has not seen it or practiced for it and not expecting it Even then it's not guaranteed. As your baseline D, it's not great. It puts bigs out of position and gives everyone tired legs.
And this is Goldings entire arsenal. He has no tweaks to O or D. There is no adjustments going into the game or during the game. He isn't very good at recruiting. For sure, most of recruiting falls on the assistants, but the HC hires those. I think he should be let go regardless of this year's outcome, but realistically if he should win the conf tourney and get into the NCAA tourney that wouldn't happen.
And this is Goldings entire arsenal. He has no tweaks to O or D. There is no adjustments going into the game or during the game. He isn't very good at recruiting. For sure, most of recruiting falls on the assistants, but the HC hires those. I think he should be let go regardless of this year's outcome, but realistically if he should win the conf tourney and get into the NCAA tourney that wouldn't happen.
Ditto. Switching up personnel is the quickest adjustment a coach can make, and in many cases, is often their only one. In this case, when Camper went down, in particular, I would have preferred Jones or Bynum over Hebb's extended minutes. Keep in mind, the rebounding margin improved for UTEP in the second half, but the defense gave up 60% as well. There just weren't that many rebounds to grab with UTEP not being able to guard Jax. St. Also, there's alot to like about that Jax. St. roster. I really like that freshman guard (House). If I were a P4 coach, there are a bunch of quality players in CUSA that I would be heavily shopping for next season.
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People keep calling the strategy “gimmick” or “junk” defense. Honestly though, it really isn’t. It’s part of the evolution of cbb. So many teams employ it now. UH being one of them. They lead the nation in team defense, allowing 53.9 pts/game. Next best is 57.8 points/game.
The difference is, UH has the horses to run it effectively…AND they rebound well. I think the Miners run it well too, minus the ability or willingness to rebound.
All cylinders have to click for the hedging defense to be effective.
The difference is, UH has the horses to run it effectively…AND they rebound well. I think the Miners run it well too, minus the ability or willingness to rebound.
All cylinders have to click for the hedging defense to be effective.
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Yeah, I agree with this. It's not like UH has these monstrous bigs. The 3 that get significant playing time all only go 6'8". It's evident that a premium is put on rebounding the ball. It's a complete team effort., including the guards. The Miners seem to too often stand around looking like they expect a teammate to go get it. I don't know how many more rebounds could have been collected last night if everybody crashed on the damn ball, but it's for sure some. CJG has been aware of the deficiency, yet it continues to remain a HUGE deficiency. Change some sh!t up Golding.
Very true. The defense principles Golding utilizes are common with many coaches/teams, including the high hedging defense up top with a big.
There are a few nuances as well. Golding defense relies on heavy ball pressure with the intention of forcing steals/causing turnovers. This approach is primarily for three reasons: Overcoming lesser talent, using the defense to score, and stealing possessions. Basically, much of the offensive approach relies on converting turnovers into points.
In order to accomplish this, the defense tries to eliminate middle drives and apply hard pressure on the wings. The defense rotates and helps (alot of steals happen here), and tries to run guys off of the 3 pt line. All good concepts in theory, and have worked for Golding at UTEP to a certain extent. However, the biggest issue we have seen is that with the current make up of the roster (size, talent, coaching, etc.), is the inability to rebound. Clearly, other coaches can see this as well.
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I was afraid of these two games. Jax St. and Ken St. really rebound and have been playing tough lately, shown by beating the Aggies at home. We have to come out this week with a split especially going into a very tough road trip in M. Tenn and W. Kent. Here’s the most likely lineup until Camper is back and we’ll see if it’s enough. We need Horton to hit some 3s off the bench and I have 0 faith in Hebb at all. I’m still trying to figure out why he’s still in the team much less getting playing time.
Starters: Barnes, Terrell, Bynum, Frazier, Kalu
Bench: Horton, Hebb, Thomas, Jones, Hamilton
Starters: Barnes, Terrell, Bynum, Frazier, Kalu
Bench: Horton, Hebb, Thomas, Jones, Hamilton
Fair. I kind of hesitated to call it "gimmick" but I couldn't think of a better word. When you take a defensive strategy and drive it to its extreme limits such that you need very specific personnel to be successful, that's what I mean by "gimmick". Give me a better word and I'll use it.
In that sense, 40 minutes of hell was "gimmick". There's a reason not every team is running full court press all game. Might you do it for a while, yes. Might you over-hedge and overplay all passes for a period of time? Yes. But it's very very hard to be successful doing it all the time. That's what I mean.
Frankly, I do not believe Golding can recruit the personnel he needs to be successful running his defense all the time.
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