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Careful @Mambo, this "America - love it or leave It" group can be a tough crowd. Always has been. Some of that concrete has had 60+ years to dry. Americans have ALWAYS had different interpretations about what constitutes "patriotism", as is the right of every American in this wonderful country we call home. Some Americans are just more tolerant about it than others...
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Careful @Mambo, this "America - love it or leave It" group can be a tough crowd. Always has been. Some of that concrete has had 60+ years to dry. Americans have ALWAYS had different interpretations about what constitutes "patriotism", as is the right of every American in this wonderful country we call home. Some Americans are just more tolerant about it than others...

Then there are you "progressives" that keep promising to move out of the country when you don't get your way politically but you never keep that promise. Not that I think you should leave but I will contribute to the "progressive" relocation fund should it be needed. Just sayin.
 
Kap won't go to inner city to do anything because he is afraid. He would rather take a knee and sit on the bench where he is protected by those same police who he claims are the problem. Kap doesn't have a clue. Yes things happen. But do you really think any police officer wants to shoot or beat someone? Hell no. Once you make that split second decision to pull the trigger on your gun, your life is changed forever. Whether or not it is a "good shoot" (meaning the officer was justified) you are always going to be second guessed by everyone and if you happen to shoot someone who is of a different race then you now have to hear how racist you were regardless of the situation. Everyone is on edge. Officer's are being attacked for mearly wearing the uniform not because they have done anything bad. Kap or any other person of color should go on ride alongs with officers during their shift and find out what is really going on. It is one thing to hear about it on TV but seeing it first hand paints a true picture of the problems we are having as a society. The police cannot raise everyone's kids. Broken homes, poverity, drug use, gangs, parents in jail, unemployment, teenage pregnancies, is a cycle that runs over and over in poor communities all over the country. Black on Black violence is real. People of all colors need to take care of their own homes and take responsibility for their actions. Kids need parents again. Kids need to feel loved by their families (not gangs). Kids need consequences when they do bad things. Kids need their parents to be role models in a positive way. Kids are growing into adults who don't know any other way of life. We need to stop blaming everyone else for our problems. Take responsibility for your home and family. If we don't stop the finger pointing we will continue down this dangerous path and nothing gets solved. We are Americans and we should be proud of that. Respect our flag and each other. Lets work together to fix what we have broken. We need to be color blind and just respect each other as humans. Color is irrelevant.........
DaMinerMan is quite accurate in what he has to say. Moms and dads, if you don't know where your children are, or you don't care because you are neglecting your responsibility as a parent then you are at fault for the impending results, not society and especially not our flag. Personally, I think the dad needs to be the leader in his family and make sure that his family avoids the pitfalls that are available to those children that are left to fend for themselves. Yes, this is difficult in single parent families, but where there is a will there is a way, and that would be that both parents, even while separated ,are still responsible for encouraging their children to do what is right. Most people are smart enough to realize that if the civil laws are followed, then one is considerably less apt to have problems with the police. I don't understand why Mr Kapernick relates lack of respect for police as a means to show that same lack of respect for the American flag. Maybe some day in the future he will apologize for this misdeed.
 
Kaepernick's pig socks:

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Classy.

I swear when I first saw this pic, the image on his socks were taken straight from "Fritz The Cat" from the 70's.
 
I've stayed out of this one until now, but here's my two cents worth.

CK has every right to protest, demonstrate take social and/or political action how he chooses. That, I firmly believe. However, I believe he is generalizing to the point where he is doing the same thing that he feels is happening to minority populations. He is marginalizing law enforcement, which is a muther effer of a job in today's society. He is helping to propagate a false image of law enforcement as a whole, due to the actions of an overwhelming minority of police officers that don't "serve and protect" in this country ( the socks, as well as his message, say it all).

Yes, awareness of police brutality needs to increase as does social sensitivity to those it is most often inflicted upon. It is a delicate situation(s) that needs addressing. i don't have the answers, nor do I think CK's current stance, and consequent actions, are going to be effective in terms of addressing this issue, rightly. Which is what we all want, right?

His method and means seem to be polarizing and dividing more than they are solution oriented. I am not religious in the slightest, but this eye for an eye mentality will not even slightly bring a solution to the issue at hand.

Mother Theresa said it best when she uttered something along the lines of "I choose not to be against (fill in the blank), but rather for (fill in the blank).

I don't know, maybe Kaepernick's actions will help in the long run. I hope so anyway, cuz he's not changing his course of action any time soon.
 
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Mambo is the product of tinfoil hats and too much msnbc

I wouldn't go there...unless you know him, and that statement to be true. Would it be true if he said you watched too much Fox?

Opposite sides of the same coin. Neither side is comprehensive enough to come up with a solution. Us against them mentality. Like a little war. As a culture, we seem to enjoy being at war...even if it's with each other.
 
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Then there are you "progressives" that keep promising to move out of the country when you don't get your way politically but you never keep that promise. Not that I think you should leave but I will contribute to the "progressive" relocation fund should it be needed. Just sayin.

Man, your posts keep getting further off the rail. Just sayin'...
 
Whether or not you agree Kapernick's views, just the fact he can protest is what makes this country great. The fact that everyone on this thread had the right to voice their opinion (again whether or not you agree with it) is what make this country great.

What he is doing in the public eye takes stones the size of bowling balls and what right is of mine or yours to dictate how he demonstrates that. On the reverse of that, you do not have to support him or the organizations he is employed by.

When you demand or try to force someone to respect your opinion/belief, you no longer have respect.
 
He can say I watch whatever news station suites him, it doesn't matter. His posts reek of an extreme (and uninsightful) viewpoint of the country as it is today. The fact is, this isn't 1950's America, like many would have us believe.

CK can do whatever he likes, but he is anything but a rational voice against the "oppression" of black people.

This issue is more complex than what people give it credit for. Unfortunately, what we see today is something that happens to people of every color in this country. The difference is in how the media portrays and covers these stories. Today, we see predators like the Rev. Al Sharpton's of the world maintaining power and monetary success by exploiting a paranoia within their own communities. They've used their influence to convince people that any crime committed by a white cop against a black person is an undeniably racist act. They tell their children that they can't become successful in the "system", because the "system" is built to discriminate against them. To say otherwise will deem you a racist pig in today's world. Gee, no wonder so many kids in these communities give up before they even get started...

Are there examples of discrimination against people of color in this country? Certainly. Is this a great epidemic that only affects people of a certain color? Definitely not. This country's laws are built to protect everyone, which is why it's silly to make a stand against the country itself.

Cops are people just like everyone else. Most of them are decent, and some are assholes. Some are a shining example of how to conduct themselves on the job, while others are incapable of handling high stress situations with the kind of clear headed professionalism we all expect. The latter example becomes dangerous when you put them into an area where crime is rampant, and the probability of danger is high.

In the end, there are two sides to this issue, but only one is being discussed in a serious manner. If you look at the statistics, you'll see that far more white people are killed each year by police than black. Now, if you take the population of each race into account, you'd find that black's are statistically far more likely to be shot than white's. What many people choose to ignore, however, is that (statistically) black people are far more likely to commit acts of violent crimes (armed robbery, murder, etc). Basically, they're far more likely to run into a cop during a situation of high stress/danger. Increasing your odds of running into police during these high stress events isn't the best way to avoid unfortunate incidents.

So, why does it seem that a HIGHLY disproportional amount of black people are being shot for unjustified reasons? Well, look no further than the media, to which Mambo unequivocally subscribes. Notice the constant headlines: "WHITE COP SHOOTS UNARMED BLACK MAN!". These headlines are meant to push a narrative and create a visceral response. They have created more ratings (money) for the general media than damn near any other events in recent memory. All of this emotional frenzy has led to riots and acts of extreme anger. And you can bet your ass that the media loves nothing more than anger and a good ol' riot (or two) to drive their ratings through the roof.

This is nothing new. This has been the mantra of the mainstream media since days of Hearst and Pulitzer, and will continue to be so until people wake up.

This country still has some issues, but it's one of the best damn country's in the world when it comes to respecting people and their rights. It has and continues to be more tolerant every year, but we are only humans and our progression will continue to be a slow organic process...
 
He can say I watch whatever news station suites him, it doesn't matter. His posts reek of an extreme (and uninsightful) viewpoint of the country as it is today. The fact is, this isn't 1950's America, like many would have us believe.

CK can do whatever he likes, but he is anything but a rational voice against the "oppression" of black people.

This issue is more complex than what people give it credit for. Unfortunately, what we see today is something that happens to people of every color in this country. The difference is in how the media portrays and covers these stories. Today, we see predators like the Rev. Al Sharpton's of the world maintaining power and monetary success by exploiting a paranoia within their own communities. They've used their influence to convince people that any crime committed by a white cop against a black person is an undeniably racist act. They tell their children that they can't become successful in the "system", because the "system" is built to discriminate against them. To say otherwise will deem you a racist pig in today's world. Gee, no wonder so many kids in these communities give up before they even get started...

Are there examples of discrimination against people of color in this country? Certainly. Is this a great epidemic that only affects people of a certain color? Definitely not. This country's laws are built to protect everyone, which is why it's silly to make a stand against the country itself.

Cops are people just like everyone else. Most of them are decent, and some are assholes. Some are a shining example of how to conduct themselves on the job, while others are incapable of handling high stress situations with the kind of clear headed professionalism we all expect. The latter example becomes dangerous when you put them into an area where crime is rampant, and the probability of danger is high.

In the end, there are two sides to this issue, but only one is being discussed in a serious manner. If you look at the statistics, you'll see that far more white people are killed each year by police than black. Now, if you take the population of each race into account, you'd find that black's are statistically far more likely to be shot than white's. What many people choose to ignore, however, is that (statistically) black people are far more likely to commit acts of violent crimes (armed robbery, murder, etc). Basically, they're far more likely to run into a cop during a situation of high stress/danger. Increasing your odds of running into police during these high stress events isn't the best way to avoid unfortunate incidents.

So, why does it seem that a HIGHLY disproportional amount of black people are being shot for unjustified reasons? Well, look no further than the media, to which Mambo unequivocally subscribes. Notice the constant headlines: "WHITE COP SHOOTS UNARMED BLACK MAN!". These headlines are meant to push a narrative and create a visceral response. They have created more ratings (money) for the general media than damn near any other events in recent memory. All of this emotional frenzy has led to riots and acts of extreme anger. And you can bet your ass that the media loves nothing more than anger and a good ol' riot (or two) to drive their ratings through the roof.

This is nothing new. This has been the mantra of the mainstream media since days of Hearst and Pulitzer, and will continue to be so until people wake up.

This country still has some issues, but it's one of the best damn country's in the world when it comes to respecting people and their rights. It has and continues to be more tolerant every year, but we are only humans and our progression will continue to be a slow organic process...


Nobody is saying this 1950s America, but your candidate is campaigning on taking us back there. The fact is in 2016, social, economic, health, etc. indicators show that people of color still lag way behind and in fact disproportionately absorb a lionshare of social ills. Wrapping yourself in the flag and telling others that you have black friends doesn't absolve you of your ignorance. To parrot Sean Hannity and say that more white people are killed by cops is assinine when you take a look at population statistics that show that the US population has a 64% percent white population compared to a 12% black population. Your simpleton assessment that "this country's law are 'built' to protect everyone" should alert you to the difference between aspiration and reality. The reality is that statistically - and all else being equal - the most likely person to be put to death via the death penalty in this country is a black man who has killed a white woman where the prosecutor is a white man and the defense attorney is a male of color. How do you and Fox News explain that? Black men are statistically in this country the most likely to be pulled over for minor traffic offenses according to this country's Department of Justice statistics. How do you and Fox News explain that? Statistically, the most likely candidate for incarceration for minor drug offenses is a black male. Ask Hannity and O'Reilly to talk you through that.

The reality is that dark skinned people still in the year of 2016 have a different American experience that fails to live up the ideals of this country. Kaepernick is bringing awareness to that by exercising his First Amendment right and should be applauded for it. People like you, if transported to the 1940s would be making the argument that Robinson already has his own league to play in, or in the 1960s you'd be saying that if Ali can hit people he can go to war and Carlos and Smith are agitators for raising their fists in '68... and in 2016 you and your ilk are behind the racist homophobe telling people he can make America great again.
 
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and in 2016 you and your ilk are behind the racist homophobe telling people he can make America great again.
What makes you call Trump a homophobe? He said Caitlyn Jenner could use whichever restroom she wanted at Trump Tower!? Do you just like calling people names for the sake of doing it?

There's so much else wrong with your post, accusing USAFminersfan without basis of supporting segregated leagues, etc., but I'll just focus on that one specific for now.
 
Nobody is saying this 1950s America, but your candidate is campaigning on taking us back there. The fact is in 2016, social, economic, health, etc. indicators show that people of color still lag way behind and in fact disproportionately absorb a lionshare of social ills. Wrapping yourself in the flag and telling others that you have black friends doesn't absolve you of your ignorance. To parrot Sean Hannity and say that more white people are killed by cops is assinine when you take a look at population statistics that show that the US population has a 64% percent white population compared to a 12% black population. Your simpleton assessment that "this country's law are 'built' to protect everyone" should alert you to the difference between aspiration and reality. The reality is that statistically - and all else being equal - the most likely person to be put to death via the death penalty in this country is a black man who has killed a white woman where the prosecutor is a white man and the defense attorney is a male of color. How do you and Fox News explain that? Black men are statistically in this country the most likely to be pulled over for minor traffic offenses according to this country's Department of Justice statistics. How do you and Fox News explain that? Statistically, the most likely candidate for incarceration for minor drug offenses is a black male. Ask Hannity and O'Reilly to talk you through that.

The reality is that dark skinned people still in the year of 2016 have a different American experience that fails to live up the ideals of this country. Kaepernick is bringing awareness to that by exercising his First Amendment right and should be applauded for it. People like you, if transported to the 1940s would be making the argument that Robinson already has his own league to play in, or in the 1960s you'd be saying that if Ali can hit people he can go to war and Carlos and Smith are agitators for raising their fists in '68... and in 2016 you and your ilk are behind the racist homophobe telling people he can make America great again.

Why do people of color lag behind "white" people socially, economically, and any other category you choose? Yet many people of color do succeed? There are millions of very successful intelligent people of color that have worked hard and chose a different path for themselves. You don't think some people of color to include "white" people chose to live the way they do because they have no drive or ambition to make a better life for themselves. This is not the 60's anymore. We have a black president, there are opportunties if you work hard for them. If not you can stay in the environment you're in and just get by with government assistance and or by commiting crime. My question to you is what are the successful people of color (Oprah, Colin Powell etc) doing to help their "people". Their are millions of successful people of color all over the world. Are they mentoring, are they giving, are they helping? Some may be but the majority are not.
Maybe you should stop defending people who are more likely to commit violent crimes against all people including their own race. Maybe just maybe the people of color are being incarcerated for minor offenses because they have already been through the system and they still commit crime after crime. (I guarantee you first time offenders caught with a little weed are not doing jail time.) People being put in jail have a criminal record already and this "minor offense" is the last straw before they do time. What's your solution? Let them go and victimize other people to include people of their own race? You say that statics show people of color get pulled over for minor traffic offenses more so than other's? Why is this? A traffic violation is a violation regardless of how minor it is. Police are within their right to pull that vehicle over. I'm not buying oh look that's a black driver let's pull him over...oh that's a white driver let him go. That's a bunch of bull. If an officer pulls someone over regardless of color then it's high likely that something more serious may have happened (criminal in nature). If the description of the offender happens to be a black male with a blue shirt driving a particular color vehicle, guess what if they match or come close to that description then they will probably be pulled over and checked out. Police don't generate these calls the public does. Police investigate criminal activity. Same applies for "white" drivers. Sometimes it's not the subject and they are let go. But there are times the officers find that the driver although not involved in the original criminal complaint are found to have commited another crime such as possession of drugs, weapons, or the driver has warrants for his arrest. Well that is called breaking the law. Should the officers let him go because he happens to be black? Do you think white people under the same circumstances would be let go? Nope. The vast majority of people of any color are good people. Just like anything your going to have a segment of society that can't be helped. Defending criminals who have no regard for anyone to include themselves is a problem. Not every person of color who is killed by the police is some random sole just walking to church. Most of them are up to no good and are a threat to everyone. Why don't you break that down? How many people regardless of color have been killed by the police for no reason? Try being a cop and see how it is in real life. People want to hurt you. People have lost respect for authority in general. A 13 year old kid pulls out a gun on an officer in an alley (later found to be a pellet gun). The officer is not seeing a black teenager he is seeing a threat to his life. Officer's don't do shoot or don't shoot scenarios based on the color of the offender. It's based on threat. Why would a kid pull any kind of gun on a cop? Why would the public question why an officer would shoot this kid? What you would do? What if the officer was wrong and it was a more lethal weapon. Does an officer have to be shot and wounded before he can fire back? Anyone who defends that is crazy. The only ignorant person here that is you MinerMambo. Stop making excuses and stupid arguments that hold no weight. Get the facts not just numbers that mean nothing. If Kap wants to protest so be it. It's his right. But it's time to get things straight within every community. Learn right from wrong again and move forward. America gives EVERYONE the freedom to choose and succeed. Take advantage of it or stay where you are and shut up!
 
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Lmao! Man, you are special kind of stupid.
I'll make my response simple for you to understand:
-trump isn't my candidate
- I already acknowledged the population discrepancies between whites and blacks. Again, much of that is explained by the fact that black people are simply more likely to be involved in violent crimes (try reading my post again. Maybe you'll pick up on that the second time around).
- I don't know how fox explains the discrepancies you mentioned, because I haven't seen fox in probably 5 years (and watched it a total of 5 times or less in my lifetime)
- black males having a higher rate of being pulled over for minor traffic offenses is in many cases do to "proactive policing". This is probably not the most justifiable way of doing things, but certain precincts are trying to police areas that are overrun with excessive crime. Do I agree with this proactive approach? I can tell you I'm not real comfortable with it. It's unfortunate that precincts feel this action needs to be taken, even though it's not the way our laws are intended to be enforced. If I lived in an area where crime was rampant, I'm not sure how my view would be affected
- you are actually correct that black males are statistically more likely to be incarcerated (and receive longer sentences) for certain offenses (much of that based on geographical location). That is a problem, and needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, black males are more likely to be impoverished, and don't get the same representation that the average white male may get. In many cases they're also a repeat offender, which can skew the statistics. Again, the system isn't perfect, but it ain't 1950's America as kap and others seem to feel...
 
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Can you blame Krapernick for doing what he is doing????? He doing everything he can to focus attention away from losing the starting QB job to Blaine Gabbert. If Blaine Gabbert is starting over you, you shouldn't be in the NFL.
 
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