Introducing New....."United South Athletic Conference" USAC

[nattybry]

If we don't have a legit chance to get in Mtn. West I say we split and make our own. TV contract sucks in CUSA anyway. We only get one bid in NCAA and we split money 14 ways. In football the Conf championship is also pointless.
10 teams thats it, more money to go around and I don't feel we lose anything and could be stronger top to bottom in both sports.
Utep
La Tech
UNT
UTSA
Rice
Middle Tenn
UAB
S.Miss
W.Kentucky
Marshall
Bye.....Fla Atl, Fla Int, UNC Charlotte and ODU

 

[ShovelMan66]

Forming new conferences is virtually impossible. Not happening

 

[utep2step]

If we don't have a legit chance to get in Mtn. West I say we split and make our own. TV contract sucks in CUSA anyway. We only get one bid in NCAA and we split money 14 ways. In football the Conf championship is also pointless.
10 teams thats it, more money to go around and I don't feel we lose anything and could be stronger top to bottom in both sports.
Utep
La Tech
UNT
UTSA
Rice
Middle Tenn
UAB
S.Miss
W.Kentucky
Marshall
Bye.....Fla Atl, Fla Int, UNC Charlotte and ODU

Slight problem. Marshall, WKU, S. Miss, UAB and MTSU really don't want to be paired with UTEP because of distance and economics due to distance and really unable to foster a meaningful rivalry. I don't blame them.

The CUSA bball tourney was in Frisco because the southern brethren of CUSA biatched to high heaven about coming to El Paso even if the city offered a nice guaranteed incentive package to CUSA. They fought it hard. But then Floyd complained having to go so far east. Frisco was a place everyone agreed on.

 

[nattybry]

Was thinking 8 and making it Southwest with NMSU and one more and excluding the east teams, but not sure 8 would be enough. I just think going to 14 has hurt the conference no st wise. The Florida teams are pointless so is charlotte and ODU football

 

[kickballpro]

Forming new conferences is virtually impossible. Not happening

Mountain West and C-USA are examples of what is impossible. The new Big East was formed fairly recently. The old big east is now the American Athletic.

It’s not impossible.

 

[JCorona]

Hmm I knew of an old poster who used to attack people’s profession.

 

[kickballpro]

None of those conferences are brand new.

The new Big East was in 2013

 

[JCorona]

I think a new conference will be formed but we will not be the ones leading the charge. Those east CUSA schools are very snooty and remind me of the old WAC teams. I wouldn’t be surprised if 6-8 of them break away with another 2-3 from the Sun Belt and form their own league. We will be part of whatever leftover schools get left behind. Again for the third time.

 

[nattybry]

I think a new conference will formed but we will not be the ones leading the charge. Those east CUSA schools are very snooty and remind me of the old WAC teams. I wouldn’t be surprised if 6-8 of them break away with another 2-3 from the Sun Belt and form their own league. We will be part of whatever leftover schools get left behind. Again for the third time.

I feel ya and hope we're proactive not reactive.

 

[JCorona]

I feel ya and hope we're proactive not reactive.

We’re running out of time but we still have a couple of years left to turn this ship around. We need to have competitive teams to make sure when the next wave of realignment hits we are the ones riding it and not getting crushed by it.

 

[ShovelMan66]

Let me break it down for you guys.

The college football playoff will not allow a new conference to form. Especially one of the G5, which would be the G6. The money is distributed to the Group of 5, creating a new conference would give less money to the other 5. That's even assuming that schools would want to break away from CUSA.

Its not happening and its because of money and TV contracts. The MWC has formed 20 years ago anf they didn't have an auto bid for their 1st season. The NCAA expanded the field to 65 for the extra bid.

Yes, the Big East "broke away" from the AAC and had an auto bid. But look at the teams in the league, they're not crap. They expanded the tournament by 3 more teams because of money and all the re-alignment 5 years ago.

The NCAA is not giving an auto bid to some bastardized CUSA league. It adds nothing to the tournament and only takes away from a power team.

No new conferences are forming. Not now, not in the near future. You guys should get out of your UTEP fantasys and see what everyone else is doing. Joining a new conference will not solve UTEPs problems.

 

[JCorona]

Let me break it down for you guys.

The college football playoff will not allow a new conference to form. Especially one of the G5, which would be the G6. The money is distributed to the Group of 5, creating a new conference would give less money to the other 5. That's even assuming that schools would want to break away from CUSA.

Its not happening and its because of money and TV contracts. The MWC has formed 20 years ago anf they didn't have an auto bid for their 1st season. The NCAA expanded the field to 65 for the extra bid.

Yes, the Big East "broke away" from the AAC and had an auto bid. But look at the teams in the league, they're not crap. They expanded the tournament by 3 more teams because of money and all the re-alignment 5 years ago.

The NCAA is not giving an auto bid to some bastardized CUSA league. It adds nothing to the tournament and only takes away from a power team.

No new conferences are forming. Not now, not in the near future. You guys should get out of your UTEP fantasys and see what everyone else is doing. Joining a new conference will not solve UTEPs problems.

I bet that’s how the conversation between the AD and Natalicio went back in 1997.

As far as your last paragraph goes just the other day you introduced Fili to a new technology called the internet. Have you used it? It’s not UTEP fans creating fictitious new conferences. Its literally every single G5 fan base and sports writers speculating on this subject.

Have a look for yourself. Everyday there’s at least four-five different threads on the subject.

http://csnbbs.com/forum-637.html

 

[ShovelMan66]

So because people are writing it on a message board its going to happen? Do any of those rumors have sources?

I've read some of the stuff and its mostly WAC or D2 move up related. Purely speculative or well wishing on fans of disgruntled teams.

 

[ShovelMan66]

CUSA just got a pretty "sweet" TV deal recently. I guess these new conferences are just clamoring with excitement to get with Facebook and Stadium streaming.

There's been messages on here about Apple and Amazon coming here, I guess since we're fantasizing about it, its in the works right?

 

[JCorona]

So because people are writing it on a message board its going to happen? Do any of those rumors have sources?

I've read some of the stuff and its mostly WAC or D2 move up related. Purely speculative or well wishing on fans of disgruntled teams.

I’m sure the MW didn’t form out of thin air overnight. There must have been disgruntled fan bases that got together and had conversations. They took a risk by sacrificing an auto bid and bowl line ups because they firmly believed those eight programs on their own could do better.

20 years laters its the same thing occurring with the CUSA east teams. Right now it’s pure speculation but don’t be surprised if they pull the trigger on those fantasy plans. Some universities don’t settle and accept no for an answer. They’ll find a way.

 

[ShovelMan66]

Things were different 20 years ago. The WAC was 16 teams, there are no conferences that size today. Just barely. WAC was a midmajor and it didn't work out because not enough teams got into the post season and because of money.

CUSA needs 2 to 4 teams to leave, not for them to split. Its not happening. What do you want to bet? $5,000?

 

[nattybry]

Let me break it down for you guys.

The college football playoff will not allow a new conference to form. Especially one of the G5, which would be the G6. The money is distributed to the Group of 5, creating a new conference would give less money to the other 5. That's even assuming that schools would want to break away from CUSA.

Its not happening and its because of money and TV contracts. The MWC has formed 20 years ago anf they didn't have an auto bid for their 1st season. The NCAA expanded the field to 65 for the extra bid.

Yes, the Big East "broke away" from the AAC and had an auto bid. But look at the teams in the league, they're not crap. They expanded the tournament by 3 more teams because of money and all the re-alignment 5 years ago.

The NCAA is not giving an auto bid to some bastardized CUSA league. It adds nothing to the tournament and only takes away from a power team.

No new conferences are forming. Not now, not in the near future. You guys should get out of your UTEP fantasys and see what everyone else is doing. Joining a new conference will not solve UTEPs problems.

See now this was an intelligent rebuttal. Good Job and I don't think it'll happen, just thought it'd be better for Utep should we not go to MWC.

 

[JCorona]

Things were different 20 years ago. The WAC was 16 teams, there are no conferences that size today. Just barely. WAC was a midmajor and it didn't work out because not enough teams got into the post season and because of money.

CUSA needs 2 to 4 teams to leave, not for them to split. Its not happening. What do you want to bet? $5,000?

Sounds a lot like the problems CUSA is having today. We are the largest mid major conference, we’re not getting enough teams in the post season, and our tv money sucks.

The rules state seven teams must have been together for eight years in order for them to break off and form their own conference. We’ve just completed our fifth year in CUSA 3.0. In three more years the east teams will have the time together required to break off on their own. The east teams have been carrying CUSA in both major revenue sports since the creation of CUSA 3.0. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if they took the same gamble the MW did 20 years ago.

 

[nattybry]

Things were different 20 years ago. The WAC was 16 teams, there are no conferences that size today. Just barely. WAC was a midmajor and it didn't work out because not enough teams got into the post season and because of money.

CUSA needs 2 to 4 teams to leave, not for them to split. Its not happening. What do you want to bet? $5,000?

Well basically, what I'm saying is cut 4 teams

 

[ShovelMan66]

I just told you they can't because of the CFP and TV contracts. Nobody wants to see another mediocre conference with ex-CUSA teams. No media partner is getting on that train.

 

[ShovelMan66]

Well basically, what I'm saying is cut 4 teams

Good luck kicking out 4 teams. UTEP would likely be the 1st they kick out.

 

[JCorona]

I just told you they can't because of the CFP and TV contracts. Nobody wants to see another mediocre conference with ex-CUSA teams. No media partner is getting on that train.

They might just say screw the college football payout. As it is CUSA teams received around $71,000 each per year. No that big of a loss if a new conference isn’t part of that. Our tv revenue is already shitty. Basically the new league would forfeit around $470,000 per team. That’s assuming they get zero tv dollars. Basically all they have to do is schedule one body bag game in football and every member receives double the amount CUSA pays out. If the travel costs decrease and attendance increases for that regional conference it might be worth the investment for them.

 

[ShovelMan66]

If you don't want to be a part of the CFP, they would not select any of your teams. Football drives the bus, not basketball.

 

[kickballpro]

It was a hypothetical. Nattbry is not starting a Conference.

That being said, the conferences will get ansy eventually, there will be expansion and contraction. I don’t think anything is impossible when it comes to realignment.

 

[UTEPMiners8106]

I did Google you and there is very little information about you. Your Twitter account id followed by 84 people. Dana Dimel's cat has about the same amount as followers as you do. You were a comedian who performed locally in restaurants and clubs and the only people who cared when you "retired" was I assume your family.

Also, it's "Katt" Williams. You don't even know how to spell the name of the comedian you supposedly toured with.

“And no one loves you, and Santa is not real, and your breath stinks....... and you probably sit when you pee, and you will die alone.”

Jesus!! The tiger was let out of the cage!
Ha ha!

 

[Miner Dawgma]

How about the Ultimate South United Conference? Then we can tell everyone U-SUC!!!

 

[shyminer81]

Why not join the WAC. NMSU, UTEP, Idaho, would Rice, UTSA, Texas st? Join?

 

[nattybry]

Why not join the WAC. NMSU, UTEP, Idaho, would Rice, UTSA, Texas st? Join?

Utep and those other teams you mentioned would be taking a drop in money Big Time. The WAC now has even a worse TV Conctact than CUSA

 

[MinerInWisconsin]

They might just say screw the college football payout. As it is CUSA teams received around $71,000 each per year. No that big of a loss if a new conference isn’t part of that. Our tv revenue is already shitty. Basically the new league would forfeit around $470,000 per team. That’s assuming they get zero tv dollars. Basically all they have to do is schedule one body bag game in football and every member receives double the amount CUSA pays out. If the travel costs decrease and attendance increases for that regional conference it might be worth the investment for them.

The payout to C-USA schools for the CFP money is approx $714,000 each per year. It's $10,000,000 per conference per year divided by number of schools per conference. The SBC has 10 members so each school gets a cool $1,000,000. Another smaller portion is paid to each of the G5 conferences based on performance and I believe this past season, C-USA will be 3rd out of 5 so we get a bit more than the MAC and SBC this time around from that source. Schools will think twice about that on the table. But I agree that better attendance and less travel might come close to covering. TV money is now $400,000 per school so in total we are talking about leaving over $1,000,000 behind plus the ncaa basketball credits. Each ncaa credit earned is worth about $273,000 per yr for six years for the conference. Each of the last 4 years C-USA has earned 2 credits since 4 teams played 2 games each due to winning 1st round games. So over $540,000 per year for 6 years, all 4 at same time means over $2,000,000 coming to C-USA next year, divided by 14 schools in approx another $150,000 per school that would be left behind by any new conference schools.

 

[MinerInWisconsin]

If we don't have a legit chance to get in Mtn. West I say we split and make our own. TV contract sucks in CUSA anyway. We only get one bid in NCAA and we split money 14 ways. In football the Conf championship is also pointless.
10 teams thats it, more money to go around and I don't feel we lose anything and could be stronger top to bottom in both sports.
Utep
La Tech
UNT
UTSA
Rice
Middle Tenn
UAB
S.Miss
W.Kentucky
Marshall
Bye.....Fla Atl, Fla Int, UNC Charlotte and ODU

My number 1 hope for UTEP is that they start doing so well in FB and MBB that UTEP becomes an annual bowl team and contender in C-USA and the MWC decides to invite the Miners. Also, if UTEP wins enough that FB attendance is over 40k season avg, and UTEP has had several yrs like that, they would then lead all G5 in attendance and better than several P5 programs. That would definitely raise some eyebrows. At that point, if the MWC does not invite UTEP and a few more years have passed, it becomes very possible for a C-USA split and UTEP would be a desirable school to have despite the distance.

 

[JCorona]

The payout to C-USA schools for the CFP money is approx $714,000 each per year. It's $10,000,000 per conference per year divided by number of schools per conference. The SBC has 10 members so each school gets a cool $1,000,000. Another smaller portion is paid to each of the G5 conferences based on performance and I believe this past season, C-USA will be 3rd out of 5 so we get a bit more than the MAC and SBC this time around from that source. Schools will think twice about that on the table. But I agree that better attendance and less travel might come close to covering. TV money is now $400,000 per school so in total we are talking about leaving over $1,000,000 behind plus the ncaa basketball credits. Each ncaa credit earned is worth about $273,000 per yr for six years for the conference. Each of the last 4 years C-USA has earned 2 credits since 4 teams played 2 games each due to winning 1st round games. So over $540,000 per year for 6 years, all 4 at same time means over $2,000,000 coming to C-USA next year, divided by 14 schools in approx another $150,000 per school that would be left behind by any new conference schools.

You’re correct it is 10 million per year idk why I thought it was only one. You read the CUSA board and I’m sure you’re also sick of all the east schools bs they spit out everyday. They’ll post 20 pages worth of imaginary scenarios (none of them whichever include UTEP) but can’t make one post when I ask them about actual dollar amounts, Bowl tie ins, tv contracts and auto bids. We could really use shovel man to go over there and talk some sense into those guys.

I agree then no new conferences are getting formed anytime soon.

 

[MinerInWisconsin]

You’re correct it is 10 million per year idk why I thought it was only one. You read the CUSA board and I’m sure you’re also sick of all the east schools bs they spit out everyday. They’ll post 20 pages worth of imaginary scenarios but can’t make one post when I ask them about actual dollar amounts, Bowl tie ins, tv contracts and auto bids. We could really use shovel man to go over there and talk some sense into those guys.

I agree then no new conferences are getting formed anytime soon.

Like just about all fan bases, Miner fans excluded of course, those folks on that board are delusional. UTEP just needs FB and MBB to start turning out good teams that win more than lose and UTEP will become one of the more coveted programs in the G5 despite the distance they all complain about.