UTEP will make the big dance this year.
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Then BG sucked as well because if he didn't have Rivera or Thomas, we wouldn't have made the NCAA tourney that year.
Or if Floyd pulls off the miracle and gets us to the NCAA tourney this year or next year it will only be because of Artis.
He did inherit a mess, a big mess and made strides every year, but he wouldn't reach out to the community to strengthen the local fan base. Floyd did inherit a good NCAA ready team but blew it against Memphis, on our own court. However, Barbee is not going anywhere. Why would a mid major or a major school take a chance on him? He blew it at Auburn and left UTEP like there was no tomorrow on the first sniff from a larger conference. IMO, he will be with Cal a few more years at least.
You just made Floyd look even worse. If a coach who is completely clueless can come in here and inherit a complete mess and turn it around and make the NCAA tourney within 3 years, cusa regular season championship , win the cusa tourney, make it to the cbi finals, make the top 25, all in a much much tougher cusa. All that being clueless. Floyd hasnt accomplished any of that in the 5 years he has been here. So what does that make him?
I think he will get another chance after this season. Someone will take a chance on him because the guy can recruit and can turn any mid major program around. I think next time he will be a little selective when bigger schools come after him when he is coaching at another school. I think the quick turnaround and success he had in a short amount of time here got to his head and he thought he was the next Calapari. But he learned his lesson at Auburn.
I never had any use for Barbee. He was an absolute dud as a person who seemed to think he was on another level and too high and mighty to stoop down to acknowledge us peons. He was able to recruit...I'll give him that, but I always felt that he couldn't wait to get out of here.
Yes, Kelvin moved to Hobbs not Texas. That part of my recap was incorrect, thanks for the refresher.
Yeah, Nevada felt like he "turn any mid-major program around", so much so that they opted instead to go with Eric Musselman. Who? Yeah Eric Musselman, who has zero head coaching experience at the collegiate or professional level. Wait, Eric who? Barbee is in high demand, huh?
Just as clarification, I liked Barbee as a coach. He ushered in an exciting era with his recruiting ties. I'm not knocking him, but I think he burned more than a bridge or two.
Barbee was great for El Paso. His player were extremely popular. He went from a CBI appearance, to the CBI finals, to the NCAA tourney. That was great for UTEP.
This is not a Barbee versus Floyd issue.
The only issue is when the girls say Floyd inherited a NCAA team. He didn't. You can't say he inherited a team when it is missing it's best player. A player who changed the team from one game to the next. Barbee deserves all the credit in the world for getting DC on the team and taking it to the NCAA tourney.
This is not a Barbee versus Floyd issue.
The only issue is when the girls say Floyd inherited a NCAA team. He didn't. You can't say he inherited a team when it is missing it's best player. A player who changed the team from one game to the next. Barbee deserves all the credit in the world for getting DC on the team and taking it to the NCAA tourney.
I agree to some extent that Floyd didn't inherit an NCAA team because there were two vital elements missing with DC and AM both moving on. However, with that said, CTF should have been able to turn them into an NCAA team with who they did have. The Miners "should" have gone dancing Floyd's first year. UTEP shit that game away against Memphis to get the auto bid. So in a sense it was at least a NCAA "ready" team.
And for me this isn't a CTF vs CTB thing. I find it funny that espsi thinks Barbee is some hot commodity that could turn any mid major program around, but I also find it funny that some people are incapable of seeing Floyd objectively also. In my opinion, Floyd forgot to coach those last 6 minutes of the cusa tourney finals when he let a 12 point lead quickly evaporate. But, it was what it was and you gotta move on.
Once again genius...quit twisting my words and speaking for me. I never said anyone sucked, much less Barbee. Throw crap, see what sticks. Doesn't work around here bud.
I think a big factor in the Memphis loss was a lack of depth and complete exhaustion of the starters by that point.
And Claude Britton missing a couple of gimmies down the stretch coming off well drawn plays. Those were killers...anyone of those baskets would have made the difference. But Claude was no Caracter.
I respectfully disagree. Perhaps exhaustion played a part but you gotta dig deep at that point with what's on the line. I don't think all five guys on the court suddenly had nothing left in the tank. Rather, shot selection down the stretch was poor, and too quick. Also, no defensive adjustment was made, especially on Jackson, who didn't get hot until very late in the game.
Introversion can have everything to do with confidence in a high pressure basketball game.
Introverts don't typically want to be a center of attention, whether good or bad. An introvert may not want to take an aggressive role in basketball situations for fear of attention being put solely on them.
I'm not saying tiredness is the only reason we lost, but I definitely remember our guys being out of gas -- it was a factor.
I went to Barbee's NCAA game in San Jose feeling good at the half we'd win. Did anyone here realize how good Butler was that year? Brutal first round draw...
Butler was frigging good. Nobody knew how good at first. UTEP was espn's upset alert for the first round and a team that they thought could go several rounds deep. Brutal matchup is a good description.
DC didn't get on the team bus after the game, and he and Barbee were soon gone.
My bad. I thought he was either a homophobe or gay because it sounded like, with the authority from which he made the declaration, that he was speaking from experience.
Introversion has no correlation with confidence. Many musicians, actors, CEO's, etc. are introverts. There is a big stereotype that introverts are these people who don't like talking to people and extroverts are these people who like to talk to anybody and everybody. That is completely false. In my experience, extroverts are the people that like being the center of attention with a group of people, but on their own they don't function the same. In my experience, introverts are the ones who are independent and have no trouble going up yo being alone and talking to them, but at the same time at the end of the day they are happy to go home and read a good book, etc. Again, these are just my experiences.
Barbee will be a hot commodity at the end of the season. Being an assistant at Kentucky will only raise his stock.
Floyd pretty much forgets to coach in every big CUSA game and NIT games.
I think Barbee will get another chance somewhere- not saying it will be a big school- but he will get another chance somewhere.
At least he waited until he took us to the NCAA tourney before leaving.
Floyd has shown he can't wait to get out of here since he finished his first season here.
This is just my guess- I think Floyd was looking for other jobs because he felt he would have taken UTEP to the Big Dance by now.
I have the mutt (Chih) and Episilon on ignore so don't know what they are saying, but based on your sentence where you mention Stone and Culpepper, if you are talking about that they learned more from Floyd in the one season under him, I do remember them stating that.
because they did say that, i thought that was actually the feeling from the whole team........
hopefully he has learned a lot since his trip to auburn.... he could always be an assistant for life since he is a good recruiter... or at least was.....
I'm still laughing at the people saying Floyd has been a better head coach at UTEP than Barbee. I keep hearing Barbee only went to the Big Dance "because this" and Floyd didn't go "because this". Some of you remind me of the annoying parents I hear who say "my child could have done that" (referencing another child's accomplishment). I wouldn't be surprised one bit if you are those types of parents.
Judging by results, who has said Floyd is a better coach at UTEP than Barbee?
I think who is a better coach overall is a different story.
I think who is a better coach overall is a different story.
You and epsilon continue to have a reading comprehension problem. Floyd is a better basketball coach than Barbee, hands down. That's the argument. Barbee had more success in less time, doesn't make him a better coach in my eyes. He just had a better team. Of course I'll give him all the credit for constructing that team. You and epsilon want to remain blind to the fact that Caracter pushed that team over the top, fine. No Caracter, no job at Auburn. Floyd's knowledge of the game is head and shoulders above Barbee. Barbee's own players said so. Now you and epsilon want to keep playing the little he went to the dance quicker, therefore he's a better coach game, go ahead and continue to play with yourselves.
I guess Phil Jackson wasn't a good coach because without Jordan and without Kobe and Shaq he would have never won all those NBA championships. 
It's hilarious that people keep adding variables to the question. It is no question that anybody with sense and who isn't a Floyd homer will say Barbee has been a better coach at UTEP than Floyd. Success is based on results.
I will give you an easy example. Let's say A sells 200 cars and B sells 100 cars. It's obvious that A is a better salesperson that B. But I am sure some of you will say, "but B has more knowledge about cars, so he/she is better".
If Floyd was better than Barbee, he would have at least won a postseason game by now and/or taken UTEP to the Big Dance.
It's hilarious that people keep adding variables to the question. It is no question that anybody with sense and who isn't a Floyd homer will say Barbee has been a better coach at UTEP than Floyd. Success is based on results.
I will give you an easy example. Let's say A sells 200 cars and B sells 100 cars. It's obvious that A is a better salesperson that B. But I am sure some of you will say, "but B has more knowledge about cars, so he/she is better".
If Floyd was better than Barbee, he would have at least won a postseason game by now and/or taken UTEP to the Big Dance.
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